need ? I think need is the wrong word. want maybe?

also there are NO real opinion pieces negative of ukraine in EU news so I remain unconvinced. It will be a hard sell for the US (and they would have to sell it to the EU else something might give).
the war is going to drag on for minimum another full year and probably 2+ years. There is so much that has to move in the meantime, Russia needs to conscript more men, move on kyiv, Ukraine needs to accept the loss of land, current government is ultra hardline, or alternatively, Nato will get involved and the war will escalate, i dont see ukraine gov moving from their stated position, EU needs to figure out what it wants to do and US needs to figure out how far to push this. That is alot of things that have to happen.

If you find MSM articles to support your suggested position, feel free to link me.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 06:04am

Ok , I am just going to give my personal opinion without quoting or reading into MSN at the moment.
Reading too much MSN might affect the formation of my thoughts.

Firstly , I don't think any EU opinion pieces are going to go negative on Ukraine for a myriad of reasons.
The US still need EU to hold the ground for them in that theater.

Will we slowly see EU op ed on Ukraine being negative? I think we will, its a sooner or later issue, but they will sugar coat it in a way that doesn't demonize Ukraine. It will be more of a pragmatic EU / Country interest sort of opinion.
Maybe an Op Ed will have this heading " Is the Ukraine war worth it? " " Why did it happen?" " Nationalism dictating the war".

In regards to the shifting guns to the East, I see it more as a need than maybe. Recent incidents in Straits of Taiwan and South China seas and the mood between the US and China during Shangri La Summit already set the mood.
The only way out of this is diplomacy and drawing of lines of influence. If not we will likely see a conflict within the next 5 to 8 years.

Also this

I'm really hard pressed to find an example of another country that had overt Nazism folded into positions of power in major institutions like government, military, bureaucracy, etc.


anyway

So the Ukrainians say the Russians blew up the dam. The Russians say the Ukrainians blew up the dam. Both have plausible reasons to blow up the dam. Ukraine could say Russia did it to cut off a route of advance through Kherson for a Ukrainian counteroffensive. Russia could say Ukraine did it to cut off Crimea from water supplies. It was supposedly the reason why Russia withdrew from Kherson in the first place, given the exposed position the forces holding the city would be in if the dam was destroyed. And both sides spent most of the past year pointing fingers at each other claiming the other side was about to blow up the dam, or at least Ukraine very noisily did in the western media, I just assume Russia did the same. The vatniksphere of the internet is busy accusing Ukrainians of being eco terrorist war criminals and the front page of reddit NAFOsphere is doing the same the other way around.
Who was it really? I think Nordstream was a lot more obvious, since russia had no benefit

Diplomacy is a novel idea but the west has not been diplomatic up to this point and I dont see them starting anytime soon. I mean it goes back to - my presidents wife was told to stay in the kitchen and do the dishes by my countries prime minister when she suggested peace in ukraine, and ireland has one of the best free speech records on the planet. so if thats how people in ireland are treated when they suggest peace I can only imagine how much worse it is else where.

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agree with Goomshill its difficult to deterine who blew up the dam. not the first piece of infrastructure destroyed, not as clear cut as nord stream, and not the last piece of infrastructure to be destroyed either.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 06:25am

Orcs blow up a dam
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nova-kakhovka-dam-kherson-region-blown-up-by-russian-forces-ukraines-military-2023-06-06/?utm_source=reddit.com

Sarcasm went way over your head. Fail.

The script working by the way ?

Hang on so.
No evidence either way for blowing up the dam. So its inconclusive.
No evidence either way for blowing up NS. Biden did it.

Got it...

Conclusion: Biden blew up the dam