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This post was edited by Tsumo on Jun 6 2023 05:27am

Nein

For those that have been living under a rock, and/or dont click on links:

The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and known to many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History." This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!

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There should be no surprises here, Ukraine is ultra nationalist and has been for a long time (read: they have a Nazi problem). Allowances are made (by MSM) in this regard. Its problematic to deal with this so the best way of dealing with it is to hide it / not report it. This has already been well documented in the thread.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 05:35am

And only Ukraine has Nazi problems.

I would disagree with this. Sweden has a problem, and of course there are historic white supremacist movements in the US, and Russia would also have problems.
If you look long enough you can probably find symtoms in every country, but typically you dont have nazi battalions or nazi military equipment or worse (as you do in Ukraine)

to be quite frank there is very little point harping on about the nazi problem in Ukraine. The west supports ukraine, russia invaded and thats all there is to it. I dont dwell on these matters, say rather it is something worth factoring in when trying to figure out where the war is going to go and ukrainian thought process (read: a very dark place).

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 05:48am

Well yes *i thought i saw an article where* the US said Ukraine did Nord Stream right ? is there an update ?
if its not official its not worth the paper its written on though, unless multiple sources.

bear in mind, thats not a case of "ukraine did it" but rather that "multiple US sources are saying ukraine did it".

My own view is ofc that Ukraine would not have been able to do it, unaided. Dont blame the gun, blame the person aiming the gun.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 05:48am

Not at the moment. But I have a spidey sense that US might slowly move away from the Ukraine conflict bit by bit.
That is why the US media is coming out with all these news all of a sudden.

1. Nordstream accusations.
2. Kremlim accusations says it was done by Ukraine
3. And now all these Nazi stuff.

Before the US pull out, they will allow their media pave the way for them bit by bit.

They did an international Media black out on Ukraine while going from " Nazis" to freedom fighters when the war starts and now they are slowly putting back the " Nazis" again.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jun 6 2023 05:49am

possibly? I remain quite skeptical. You know my view is that the US is going to go to proxy war on China. With that in mind I dont see them pulling out of Ukraine before that happens.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 6 2023 05:52am

They will, the foreign policy establishment do not have the military and economical capability to stretch that far at the moment.
They need to shift their guns to the East.