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Aug 25 2020 07:17pm
https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/medical-examiner-george-floyd-may-have-had-a-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298403284416249856/photo/1

New documents from the court filings in the George Floyd officer cases show that the Medical Examiner openly stated in emails that George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and his death would be classified as an overdose in normal circumstances:



"{Andrew Baker, the hennepin county medical examiner who conducted George Floyd's autopsy} said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death."

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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 25 2020 08:17pm)
https://www.fox9.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/medical-examiner-george-floyd-may-have-had-a-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298403284416249856/photo/1

New documents from the court filings in the George Floyd officer cases show that the Medical Examiner openly stated in emails that George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and his death would be classified as an overdose in normal circumstances:

https://i.imgur.com/fUt9V8A.png

"{Andrew Baker, the hennepin county medical examiner who conducted George Floyd's autopsy} said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death."


Person is in the process of overdose.
Doctor comes in room, stabs patient.
Medical Examiner: Clearly died from stabbing, but if he didn't get stabbed he would have died from an overdose.
Literally nobody: We should clearly let the doctor off without charges.
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Aug 25 2020 07:52pm
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Person is in the process of overdose.
Doctor comes in room, stabs patient.
Medical Examiner: Clearly died from stabbing, but if he didn't get stabbed he would have died from an overdose.
Literally nobody: We should clearly let the doctor off without charges.


A knee on the neck doesnt prevent breathing. He was literally talking (whining) the whole time.

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Aug 25 2020 08:22pm
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/08/25/man-accused-firing-gun-near-trump-supporters-gathering-fort-mill/

peaceful protester practices his shooting at a group of Trump supporters target range when all of a sudden a group of reich-wingers walked across!
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 25 2020 08:48pm)
Person is in the process of overdose.
Doctor comes in room, stabs patient.
Medical Examiner: Clearly died from stabbing, but if he didn't get stabbed he would have died from an overdose.
Literally nobody: We should clearly let the doctor off without charges.


You're almost describing the textbook crim law 101 example used to define the "actual harm" aspect of a murder trial that distinguishes it from attempted murder. The classical example is shooting a dead hobo when you think he's sleeping
The officers aren't charged with attempted murder
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You're almost describing the textbook crim law 101 example used to define the "actual harm" aspect of a murder trial that distinguishes it from attempted murder. The classical example is shooting a dead hobo when you think he's sleeping
The officers aren't charged with attempted murder


Except in this case it was a person who was still alive, and could have sought help if he hadn't been restrained until he died. There was "actual harm" that can be argued to be the cause of his death, both through the physical damage caused by the restraint and the active prevention of getting aid.
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Aug 25 2020 09:21pm
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Except in this case it was a person who was still alive, and could have sought help if he hadn't been restrained until he died. There was "actual harm" that can be argued to be the cause of his death, both through the physical damage caused by the restraint and the active prevention of getting aid.


except that the medical examiner also laid out how there's no evidence of physical damage, and they promptly called EMTs for someone who was incapable of getting his own aid.
If this wasn't some cultural moment by happenstance, and the calculations weren't political, this wouldn't even be up for consideration.
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Aug 25 2020 09:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 25 2020 09:58pm)
Except in this case it was a person who was still alive, and could have sought help if he hadn't been restrained until he died. There was "actual harm" that can be argued to be the cause of his death, both through the physical damage caused by the restraint and the active prevention of getting aid.


there's a 10x better case for Eric Garner having endured actual harm than this case. Eric garner didnt guzzle a bunch of pills, he was just obesely obese. ive come around to the idea that the cops in Minneapolis arent murderers at all and that the knee likely didnt kill him, still that the officer should be fired, charged with assault, and jailed for perhaps 5-10 years by a judge looking to make an example of him. what the officer did was more stupid than truly endangering the person's life. it was more degrading than fatal.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Aug 2020 23:28)
there's a 10x better case for Eric Garner having endured actual harm than this case. Eric garner didnt guzzle a bunch of pills, he was just obesely obese. ive come around to the idea that the cops in Minneapolis arent murderers at all and that the knee likely didnt kill him, still that the officer should be fired, charged with assault, and jailed for perhaps 5-10 years by a judge looking to make an example of him. what the officer did was more stupid than truly endangering the person's life. it was more degrading than fatal.


wb, hope all is well at the fort and great post my friend!
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wb, hope all is well at the fort and great post my friend!


tyty my friend all is indeed well!
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