Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Jul 2021 08:24)

Do you seriously think this is some big "gotcha" moment? My cynical prior is that in a country with a partisan battle as fierce as in the US, both parties will seize any opportunity to gain ground in the ongoing struggle for power. And no, this is not a double standard, I expect Republicans to act just as ruthlessly; and by default I expect them to act with partisan motives rather than in good faith until proven otherwise.

Regarding the committee: nothing in the quote or article you linked me disproves that Pelosi would have ultimately controlled the committee.




1. I will admit that I was somewhat underinformed. I did not realize that the committee proposed in point 3 of your summary had a fundamentally different composition (10 persons, 5 Republicans picked by Republican leadership) than the one she created after the GOP filibustered the bill (point 5 in your summary, having 13 seats, with Pelosi herself picking some of the Republican members). You could have mentioned that to be fair. ;)

2. Pelosi nominating Cheney for one of the Democratic slots on the 10-person commitee is not what I meant, see the point above. But now that you mentioned it, I dont think the idea is actually as outlandish as you think. Cheney suffers from even more TDS than most congressional Democrats. She has proven willing to burn her entire party (and her own political career) down for her personal vendetta against Trump. On the issue this committee was dealing with, Cheney would have been a safe vote for Pelosi. Also, imagine the headlines: "Jan 6 committee, on which Republicans hold majority, releases scathing condemnation of Trump". The msm would have eaten that shit up.

3 Now that I've found the time to read through the entire text of that originally proposed bill, I still couldn't find the answer to the key question: if that committee with its 5:5 balance had gridlocked along partisan lines, what would have happened? No action, or would Pelosi as the committee chair have had a tie-breaking vote, similar to how Democrats currently have a 50+1 majority in a 50:50 Senate? If the proposal had really given the GOP the opportunity to stonewall everything they want, then I really dont understand why they rejected this proposal. But then again: I can't imagine Democrats being that fucking stupid, so I implicitly assumed that that's not what the original proposal with the 5:5 committee would have been; that Pelosi would ultimately have been the one to call the shots.



So, I was and still am assuming both parties to be shrewd rather than retarded. I absolutely cannot imagine Dems offering Repubs a committee on which they could have blocked everything, nor can I imagine the GOP rejecting such a proposal.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 29 2021 12:36pm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0

Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 29 2021 05:45pm)

In what world is it strange that a middle-aged man died of a stroke? It's a leading cause of death.

A better question is how the New York Times got this story so wrong. A fire extinguisher, and then bear spray, at what point do you need to correct a journalist who is obviously relying on untrustworthy sources?

Quote (fender @ Jul 29 2021 05:46pm)

literally every single trumptard, from congress to trailerpark, from fox news to pard: "b-b-but what about antifa?!". peak whataboutism...

because opposing fascism, racism, and discrimination is the same as trying to overturn a democratic election because your cult leader is a sore loser...

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 29 2021 07:02pm)

Really makes you think.

You're right I'm convinced. The cop was actually murdered and the coroner purposefully ruled by natural causes because he didn't want to testify. Why go for the simple logical explanation, when we can come up with conspiracy theories that once again, seem to favor the side that is trying to paint this on the same scale as events like 9/11.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 30 2021 07:48am)

it opens with them saying the pledge of allegiance. is that supposed to prove they are bad?

0:50 most people are forgetting probably on purpose. It was the alternate electors that was interfered with. which is something the right wouldnt want.

1:00 ever see a trumper carry a confederate flag before?

1:05 not even dressed like a trumper? guy next to him all in black. have they been identified?

1:15 talks about knowing jan 6th was going down but the frauds never beefed up security why? perhaps to frame some folks?

1:32 this is just a hit piece openly asserting the claim that the election was a fraud is a lie. he is not qualified to make that assertion. Its either assertion or he is just another wrap up smear bald faced liar........... already doesnt pass the sniff test.
and we already have the good that their was fraud in your face open fraud.
Who gave the order for vote counting to stop on Nov 3, 2020? 11.03.21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jo70PgHrUjUY/

1:40 then he claims the lie spread by the president and his allies. its just a edited hit piece from the wrap up smear people.

and thats what the commission is going to be like. they have already admitted that
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leftie fraud slaves will gobble it down like baby bird. On the other hand leftie frauds will also be exposed some more

opening statement
listen to this leftie fraud as he talks "guided solely by the facts .....our only charge is to follow the facts where they lead us." then he rambles on establishing and affirming trumpers guilt. its already all been decided........... another in your face puke leftie moment.

The Real Insurrection Begins. I'd Bet the Chairman Didn't Even Graduate Junior High School
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0UMj0tYoYLTo/
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at 1:40 its proven crap. im out of this obvious wrap up smear edited hit peice.

any violence in the vid i say its false to assume they are trumpers. there is no doubt antifa/blm where there. but i will bet fraud commission will act like thats not true. I have a vid some where a couple people all in black involved in breaking out a window and they are not on the search list any where, what does that tell a person.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 30 2021 08:57am)

you're scared of a youtube video because it was made by the NYT. even though you can bring your bias in and it wouldnt bother me at all, i did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0



you gave it 1/40 effort, meanwhile ive watched dozens of your videos.

so you're done. might as well never respond to me again.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 30 2021 08:04am)

I watched parts of it and i'm having a hard time finding things that justify trumped up charges or milking this shit in a partisan manner. I never denied there was violence and I made it pretty clear that people that trespassed, people that assaulted cops deserve proportional punishment. Point me to specific points in that video that you think justifies having 9/11 esque commissions for this?

Quote (LoverManGenius @ Jul 30 2021 12:00am)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TugslL45aXk

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 30 2021 12:28am)

Side note: holy fuck did this thread explode. :wacko:


Regarding Jan 6: after watching snipa's nytimes video just now, I find it hard to believe how anyone can see the footage from that day, hear what the rioters themselves were saying, and still deny the violence that took place or that at least some of these rioters had a revolutionary, anti-democratic intention. What transpired that day was a violent and totally shameful display that never should have happened. A scorned president got too careless with his rhetoric and too desperate in his selfish desire to cling to power by any means necessary and caused more than just a handful of his supporters to completely lose it.

If Trump is stupid enough to run again in 2024, and his party stupid enough to nominate him again after everything that happened, then they deserve to lose in a humiliating landslide. And they will. Similarly, all the nuts who can be proven to have exercised violence or committed a felony shall be prosecuted and punished with the full force of the law.


However, like I said before, that's a job for the FBI and prosecutors. None of this means that Jan 6 needs to or should be investigated by Congress itself, an institution which is inherently partisan. The GOP is wise (and justified) to prevent Dems from milking this day for partisan gain. If there is hard proof for any Republican member of Congress having colluded with the rioters, then there must be consequences. Other than that, the notion that the GOP should self-flagellate or cede ground in the partisan war for power to make up for the sins of that day is ludicrous.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 30 2021 05:57am)

you're scared of a youtube video because it was made by the NYT. even though you can bring your bias in and it wouldnt bother me at all, i did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0



you gave it 1/40 effort, meanwhile ive watched dozens of your videos.

so you're done. might as well never respond to me again.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 30 2021 06:14am)

ive stated a dozen times i dont support the commission at all. maybe you should read better.

you're the one saying shit like:

-well it happens in africa so no big deal
-it was just an unguided tour
-its not insurrection because no one has been charged with that
-nancy pelosi secretly visits me in my dreams and i wake up with wet fronted underwear
-everyone is claiming this is as big of a deal as 9-11 (they arent)

but what you dont say, over and over, is that THEY CAME TO STOP THE VOTE. say it now. say it. agree with me.