Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 28 2016 06:55pm)
God creates the universe -> God can see and know all things past or present -> the universe has pedophiles -> God knew the universe would have pedophiles -> God knowingly created circumstances for pedophiles to exist and did nothing about it
God didn't create circumstances so that a large number of people enjoy masturbating with sandpaper -> God knows the number of people who enjoy sandpaper sessions -> God prioritized letting people harm children over harming themselves.
Try and keep up. You guys are dodging the discussion. Is your god all powerful and all knowing?
I'm not the one claiming a god exists to test us, that's you:
Oh that's easy. Let's refer to Genesis 3
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3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
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God gave man one rule, not to eat off the tree of knowledge. Man had a choice to obey or disobey God. Man chose to disobey God, as a result God gave us what we wanted which is to serve ourselves. He never forces us to worship him. As you can see, the results of humans putting themselves in the position of God speaks for itself.
Then again, you would know a lot about pedophiles wouldn't you?
Then the curse that we are under is another result of disobeying God. The world is turned upside down. It was not God who ruined his perfect creation but we humans did. Another natural cause is to blame others for our own actions, you can see that's what Adam did in the first confrontation “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 28 2016 06:55pm)
You're making the claim that life isn't smooth (i.e. sometimes we get raped as children) so we don't serve only ourselves.
I suspect the reason you play dumb is because you know just how fucked that is. The truth is that you have better morals and ideas than your religion. I seriously do not believe you and Widow, if given the possibility, would stand idly by and watch a person get raped in front of you. I'd imagine you'd do everything possible to stop it...especially if it were a child.
Your god doesn't do that. He just watches like an evil pervert.
Like I said, the world is under a curse and turned upside down. Everything is back to front. The evildoers get away with what they do, or so it seems. It may not be the same day or even the same decade. Yet on the day they die, they'll face judgement for everything they ever did. It is some distant future but one day that future will arrive.
God will judge them on the day they die. Why does he wait? We're in a period where we have time to repent and turn away from our evil ways. We are under a period of grace where all have the chance to seek forgiveness. If the LORD gives you 70 years to accept his gift of free grace and you do not accept it then the long wait is over.
That's the very thing isn't it? Gods free gift of grace is free for ALL people, even those whom you mentioned above. He also waits very patiently until that last day.
Quote (Unanswered @ Mar 28 2016 10:33pm)
Yea... Spell checking and now acting like a child wins arguments.
Yeah, see? Now you get it!
This post was edited by CPK001 on Mar 28 2016 06:58am
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