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Jun 1 2023 04:29pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Jun 1 2023 06:27pm)
SAD


Dawg all I said was something about American shenanigans in this conflict and you still haven't said why you disagree.
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Jun 1 2023 04:30pm
Quote (zorzin @ Jun 1 2023 11:29pm)
Dawg all I said was something about American shenanigans in this conflict and you still haven't said why you disagree.


You can join in on my conversation with dizzy, but so far you havent given any reason for me to use my time on you, barren piece of political discussion land

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Quote (Neptunus @ Jun 1 2023 07:24pm)
Typing on my phone, cba to caps so bear with me

People who dont acknowledge lgbt rights dont acknowledge human rights. It doesnt get any simpler. Im not talking about hormone treatments for minors or whatever. Im talking about good old fashioned homophobia. If you can excuse yourself to hate on gays, it means you can excuse yourself to nazi atrocities as well, if you have any integrity in your logical reasoning. This is basic human rights stuff. Of course i get to say an opinion on this. Societies which do what russia currently does are shittier than those that dont. Simple as that. Same goes with islamism, north korea etc. Of course you can be a moral relativist if you want, but if you choose to support a society that oppresses gays, you also give it mandate to arbitrarily discriminate against dizzybusiness. And oppressing gays is just one example of whats wrong, its more about what homophobia represents.

If you want harsher punishments against junkies despite what evidence says about its effects... then you do you. What can i say

Nobody said ukraine is a bastion of freedom and democracy. It is as much freedom and democracy as navalny is. They act as symbols of choices in the better direction, but they arent saints

What concerns? Russia just traded ukraine with 1000km of nato border next to petersburg. Finland was non-aligned until the invasion. Doesnt look like they care about nato after all.

US freign policy in europe AND european policy AND east european policy. Not overall US foreign policy. Its not a dichotomy, its a mishmash. But i guess i understand nothing about geopolitics. Geopolitics is like evolutionary psychology or gender studies or, god forbid, intersectional feminist theory: any arguments can be justified by a vague, buzzword-ish umbrella term with a priori reasoning. Starts getting old when people just throw "geopolitics, geopolitics" every where.


Lmao you need to post less and read more. Wow.
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Jun 1 2023 04:42pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 2 Jun 2023 00:49)
One of the right wing politicians said:
Russia stands up for old, proven Values; yes, also wars as one of these Values.
Do you agree with that? Is that a "value" to attack your neighbour when you feel you are stronger?


You are oversimplifying it
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Jun 1 2023 04:50pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Jun 1 2023 11:24pm)
Typing on my phone, cba to caps so bear with me

People who dont acknowledge lgbt rights dont acknowledge human rights. It doesnt get any simpler. Im not talking about hormone treatments for minors or whatever. Im talking about good old fashioned homophobia. If you can excuse yourself to hate on gays, it means you can excuse yourself to nazi atrocities as well, if you have any integrity in your logical reasoning. This is basic human rights stuff. Of course i get to say an opinion on this. Societies which do what russia currently does are shittier than those that dont. Simple as that. Same goes with islamism, north korea etc. Of course you can be a moral relativist if you want, but if you choose to support a society that oppresses gays, you also give it mandate to arbitrarily discriminate against dizzybusiness. And oppressing gays is just one example of whats wrong, its more about what homophobia represents.

If you want harsher punishments against junkies despite what evidence says about its effects... then you do you. What can i say

Nobody said ukraine is a bastion of freedom and democracy. It is as much freedom and democracy as navalny is. They act as symbols of choices in the better direction, but they arent saints

What concerns? Russia just traded ukraine with 1000km of nato border next to petersburg. Finland was non-aligned until the invasion. Doesnt look like they care about nato after all.

US freign policy in europe AND european policy AND east european policy. Not overall US foreign policy. Its not a dichotomy, its a mishmash. But i guess i understand nothing about geopolitics. Geopolitics is like evolutionary psychology or gender studies or, god forbid, intersectional feminist theory: any arguments can be justified by a vague, buzzword-ish umbrella term with a priori reasoning. Starts getting old when people just throw "geopolitics, geopolitics" every where.


A country was never threatened. A kleptocratic dictator was threatened.
There's a difference.
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Jun 1 2023 04:54pm
Quote (Norlander @ 1 Jun 2023 22:42)
You are oversimplifying it


Do you think abducting and deporting children is a new or an old value in russia ex-ussr ?
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Jun 1 2023 04:57pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 2 Jun 2023 01:54)
Do you think abducting and deporting children is a new or an old value in russia ex-ussr ?


Deporting orphans from war torn areas you mean?
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Jun 1 2023 05:04pm
Quote (Norlander @ 1 Jun 2023 22:57)
Deporting orphans from war torn areas you mean?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64985009
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Jun 1 2023 11:29pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 1 2023 11:50pm)
A country was never threatened. A kleptocratic dictator was threatened.
There's a difference.


Probably. I try making concessions for the sake of conversation, but it looks very one-sided and ends up sounding like validation.
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