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Mar 28 2022 07:57am
Quote (ferdia @ 28 Mar 2022 16:53)
ehmm, should it not be:
Blame Will smith for being racist and attacking Chris Rock without provocation, and then the audience nominating Tom Hanks for an Oscar / lifetime achievement award
Blame Russia for being racist and attacking Ukriane without provocation, and then the world nominating Biden for the Nobel Peace Prize ?


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Mar 28 2022 08:05am
Quote (Goomshill @ 28 Mar 2022 14:56)
I never thought of you as scum. Then again, I don't think of you much
I'm not surprised that Heinreich von Goebbels sided with Nazis war criminals, as history repeats itself. Then again, your lot can't decide which side it wants to support more, the nazis or the russians. Arm the nazis, or fund the Russians? Both! At least last time around it was simpler and a one-way relationship, but last time around the russians reached Berlin so maybe that's not an example you'd like to repeat.


lel, you even highlighted my position, only to then immediately and disingenuously suggest it was the exact opposite. see, that's why no intelligent person takes you seriously: you can't even make sense of all the different conflicting narratives in your confused little head, you just pick up bits here and there, and run with it, no critical thinking involved. that's why every time i call you out on your hackery, you default to that moronic little "hEinRiCh vAn GoEbBeLs" bit, recycling the ancient material from another moron, who also never contributed an original thought to any discussion here.

simple truth is, you largely agree with nazis and what they stand for politically and socially - and all the actual nazis here in pard recognise that and love your little rage essays - they reliably identify you as an ally. your attempts to weaponise the universal rejection of that hateful ideology are transparently disingenuous: it's obvious you're just doing that to push russian propaganda. that's why you completely ignore the important role nazis have in putin's regime, while trying to playing up the importance of ukrainian nazi scum.
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Mar 28 2022 08:09am
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it's truly a sight to behold how the people who are ideologically aligned with / make excuses for / vote for nazis in their own countries (ampootin / goon-shill / excrements / void...) just uncritically bought into the "de-nazification" narrative by a dictator - who himself has been relying on nazis for personal protection and doing his dirty work around the globe for decades...

nazis are scum. that obviously includes ukrainian nazis. what our resident useful idiots are "forgetting" (because russian propaganda and faux news don't tell them), however, is that ultra-nationalists and nazis in ukraine still don't hold any significant political power (much less than in the US for example), and that it was the 2014 invasion by russia that (unsurprisingly) somewhat re-ignited nationalist sentiments.


excrements lol

There's nazis everywhere, this is just our local right wing pard ex-trump supporters who ran out of arguments regarding Ukraine invasion.
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Mar 28 2022 08:19am
ABC News transcript of full speech from President Biden:

"Be not afraid." These were the first words that the first public address of the first Polish pope after his election in October of 1978, they were the words who would come to define Pope John Paul II. Words that would change the world.

John Paul brought the message here to Warsaw in his first trip back home as pope in June of 1979. It was a message about the power, the power of faith, the power of resilience, the power of the people. In the face of a cruel and brutal system of government, it was a message that helped end the Soviet repression in the central land in Eastern Europe 30 years ago.

It was a message that we'll overcome the cruelty and brutality of this unjust war. When Pope John Paul brought that message in 1979, the Soviet Union ruled with an iron fist behind an Iron Curtain. Then a year later, the solidarity movement took hold in Poland. While I know he couldn't be here tonight, we're all grateful in America and around the world for Lech Walesa. [Applause] It reminds me of that phrase from the philosopher Kierkegaard, "Faith sees best in the dark." And they were dark moments.

Ten years later, the Soviet Union collapsed and Poland and Central and Eastern Europe would soon be free. Nothing about that battle for freedom was simple or easy. It was a long, painful slog. Fought over not days and months but years and decades. But we emerged anew in the great battle for freedom. A battle between democracy and autocracy. Between liberty and repression. Between a rules-based order and one governed by brute force. In this battle, we need to be clear-eyed. This battle will not be won in days or months either. We need to steel ourselves of a long fight ahead.

Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. Mayor, members of the parliament, distinguished guests, and the people of Poland, and I suspect some people of Ukraine that are here. We are [applause], we are gathered here at the royal castle in this city that holds the sacred place in the history of not only of Europe but human kind's unending search for freedom.

For generations, Warsaw has stood where liberty has been challenged and liberty has prevailed. In fact, it was here in Warsaw when a young refugee who fled her home country from Czechoslovakia was under Soviet domination, came back to speak and stand in solidarity with dissidence. Her name was Madeleine Korbel Albright. She became one of the most ardent supporters of democracy in the world. She was a friend with whom I served. America's first woman Secretary of State.

She passed away three days ago. She fought her whole life for central democratic principles. And now in the perennial struggle for democracy and freedom, Ukraine and its people are in the front lines.

Fighting to save their nation and their brave resistance is part of a larger fight for essential democratic principles that unite all free people. The rule of law, fair and free elections, the freedom to speak, to write and to assemble. The freedom to worship as one chooses. The freedom of the press. These principles are essential in a free society. [Applause]

But they have always, they have always been under siege. They have always been embattled. Every generation has had to defeat democracy's moral foes. That's the way of the world, for the world is imperfect, as we know. Where the appetites and ambitions of a few forever seek to dominate the lives and liberty of many.

My message to the people of Ukraine is a message I delivered today to Ukraine's foreign minister and defense minister, who I believe are here tonight. We stand with you. Period! [Applause]

Today's fighting in Kyiv and Melitopol and Kharkiv are the latest battle in a long struggle. Hungary, 1956. Poland, 1956, and then again, 1981. Czechoslovakia,1968. Soviet tanks crushed democratic uprisings, but the resistance continued until finally in 1989, the Berlin Wall and all the walls of Soviet domination, they fell. They fell! And the people prevailed.

But the battle for democracy could not conclude, and did not conclude with the end of the Cold War. Over the last 30 years, the forces of autocracy have revived all across the globe. Its hallmarks are familiar ones -- contempt for the rule of law, contempt for democratic freedom, contempt for the truth itself.

Today, Russia has strangled democracy and sought to do so elsewhere, not only in his homeland. Under false claims of ethnic solidarity, there's invalidated neighboring nations. Putin has the gall to say he's 'denazifying' Ukraine. It's a lie. It's just cynical, he knows that and it's also obscene.

President Zelenskyy was democratically elected. He's Jewish. His father's family was wiped out in the Nazi Holocaust. And Putin has the audacity, like all autocrats before him, to believe that might will make right.

In my own country, a former president named Abraham Lincoln voiced the opposing spirit to save our union in the midst of the Civil War. He said let us have faith that right makes might. Right makes might. Today, let us have that faith again. [Applause] Let us resolve to put the strength of democracies into action to thwart the designs of autocracy.

Let us remember that the test of this moment is the test of all time. A criminal wants to portray NATO enlargement as an imperial project aimed at destabilizing Russia. Nothing is further from the truth. NATO is a defensive alliance. It has never sought the demise of Russia. In the lead up to the current crisis, the United States and NATO worked for months to engage Russia to avert war. I met with him in person, talked to him many times on the phone.

Time and again, we offered real diplomacy and concrete proposals to strengthen European security, enhance transparency, build confidence on all sides. But Putin and Russia met each of the proposals with disinterest in any negotiation, with lies and ultimatums.

Russia was bent on violence from the start. I know not all of you believed me and us when we kept saying, they are going to cross the border, they are going to attack. Repeatedly he asserted we had no interest in war, guaranteed he would not move. Repeatedly saying he would not invade Ukraine. Repeatedly saying Russian troops along the border were there for training. All 180,000 of them.

There's simply no justification or provocation for Russia's choice of war. It's an example, one of the oldest human impulses, using brute force and disinformation to satisfy a craving for absolute power and control. It's nothing less than a direct challenge to the rule-based international order established since the end of World War II. And it threatens to return to decades of war that ravaged Europe before the international rule-based order was put in place.

We cannot go back to that. We cannot. The gravity of the threat is why the response of the West has been so swift and so powerful and so unified, unprecedented and overwhelming. Swift and punishing costs are the only thing that are going to get Russia to change its course.

Within days of his invasion, the West has moved jointly with sanctions to damage Russia's economy. Russia's Central Bank is now blocked from global financial systems, denying Kremlin's access to the war fund that's stashed around the globe. We have aimed at the heart of Russia's economy by stopping the imports of Russian energy to the United States.

To date, the United States has sanctioned 140 Russian oligarchs and their family members, seizing their ill-begotten gains, their yachts, their luxury apartments, their mansions. We've sanctioned more than 400 Russian government officials, including key architects of this war. These officials and oligarchs have reaped enormous benefit from the corruption connected to the Kremlin. And now they have to share in the pain.

The private sector has acted as well. Over 400 private multinational companies have pulled out of doing business in Russia. Left Russia completely. From oil companies to McDonald's. As a result of these unprecedented sanctions, the ruble almost is immediately reduced to rubble. The Russian economy -- that's true, by the way, it takes about 200 rubles to equal $1.

The economy is on track to be cut in half in the coming years. It was ranked, Russia's economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion. It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world.

Taken together [applause] these economic sanctions, a new kind of economic statecraft with the power to inflict damage that rivals military might. These international sanctions are sapping Russian strength, its ability to replenish its military, and its ability to project power. And it's Putin, it is Vladimir Putin who is to blame. Period.

At the same time, alongside these economic sanctions, the Western world has come together to provide for the people of Ukraine with incredible levels of military, economic, humanitarian assistance.

In the years before the invasion, we, America, had sent over $650 million, before they crossed the border, in weapons to Ukraine, including anti-air and anti-armor equipment. Since the invasion, America has committed another $1.35 billion in weapons and ammunition. And thanks to the courage and bravery of the Ukrainian people, the equipment we've sent and our colleagues have sent have been used to devastating effect to defend Ukrainian land and air space.

Our allies and partners have stepped up as well. But as I've made clear, American forces are in Europe -- not in Europe to engage in conflict with Russian forces. American forces are here to defend NATO allies. Yesterday I met with the troops that are serving alongside our Polish allies to bolster NATO's front line defenses. The reason we want to make clear is their movement on Ukraine -- don't even think about moving on one single inch of NATO territory. We have sacred obligation. We have a sacred obligation under Article 5 to defend each and every inch of NATO territory with the full force of our collective power.

And earlier today I visited your national stadium, where thousands of Ukrainian refugees are now trying to answer the toughest questions a human can ask. My God, what is going to happen to me? What is going to happen to my family? I saw tears in many of the mothers' eyes as I embraced them. Their young children, their young children, not sure whether to smile or cry.

One little girl said, Mr. President -- she spoke a little English -- is my brother and my daddy, are they going to be okay? Will I see them again? Without their husbands, their fathers. In many cases, their brothers and sisters have stayed back to fight for their country.

I didn't have to speak the language or understand the language to feel the emotion in their eyes, the way they gripped my hand, little kids hung on to my leg, praying with a desperate hope that all this is temporary. Apprehension that they may be perhaps forever away from their homes. Almost a debilitating sadness that this is happening all over again.

But I was also struck by the generosity of the people of Warsaw -- for that matter, all the Polish people -- for the depths of their compassion, their willingness to reach out [applause], for opening their hearts. I was saying to the mayor, they were opening their hearts and their homes simply to help.

I also want to thank my friend, the great American chef Jose Andres, and his team for help feeding those who are yearning to be free. But helping these refugees is not something Poland or any other nation should carry alone. All the world's democracies have a responsibility to help. All of them. And the people of Ukraine can count on the United States to meet its responsibility. I have announced two days ago, we will welcome 100,000 Ukrainian refugees. We already have 8,000 a week coming to the United States of other nationalities. We will provide nearly $300 million of humanitarian assistance, providing tens of thousands of tons of food, water, medicine and other basic supplies.

In Brussels, I announced the United States is prepared to provide more than $1 billion in additional humanitarian aid. The World Food Programme told us that despite significant obstacles, at least some relief is getting to major cities in Ukraine. But not Metripol -- no, excuse me -- not Mariupol because Russian forces are blocking relief supplies.

But we'll not cease our efforts to get humanitarian relief wherever it is needed in Ukraine and for the people who've made it out of Ukraine. Notwithstanding the brutality of Vladimir Putin, let there be no doubt that this war has already been a strategic failure for Russia already. Having lost children myself, I know that's no solace to the people who've lost family but he, Putin, thought Ukrainians would roll over and not fight. Not much of a student of history. Instead Russian forces have met their match with brave and stiff Ukrainian resistance. Rather than breaking Ukrainian resolve, Russia's brutal tactics have strengthened the resolve. Rather than driving NATO apart, the West is now stronger and more united than it's ever been.

Russia wanted less of a NATO presence on its border but now he has a stronger presence, a larger presence with over 100,000 American troops here along with all the other members of NATO. In fact, Russia has managed to cause something I'm sure he never intended. The democracies of the world are revitalized with purpose and unity found in months that we've once taken years to accomplish.

It's not only Russia's actions in Ukraine that are reminding us of democracy's blessing. It's our own country, his own country, the Kremlin, it's jailing protesters. Two hundred thousand people who have allegedly already left. There's a brain drain leaving Russia. Shutting down independent news. State media is all propaganda. Blocking the image of civilian targets, mass graves, starvation tactics of the Russian forces in Ukraine.

Is it any wonder as I said that 200,000 Russians have all left their country in one month. A remarkable brain drain in such a short period of time. Which brings me to my message to the Russian people. I worked with Russian leaders for decades. I sat across the negotiating table going all the way back to Soviet Alexei Kosygin to talk arms control at the height of the Cold War. I've always spoken directly and honestly to you, the Russian people. Let me say this, if you're able to listen. You, the Russian people, are not our enemy. I refuse to believe that you welcome the killing of innocent children and grandparents, or that you accept hospitals, schools, maternity wards and for God sake's being pummeled with Russian missiles and bombs. Or cities being surrounded so that civilians cannot flee. Supplies cut off and attempting to starve Ukrainians into submission.

Millions of families are being driven from their homes, including half of all Ukraine's children. These are not the actions of a great nation. Of all people, you, the Russian people, as well as all people across Europe still have the memory of being in a similar situation in the late '30s and '40s. Situation in World War II still fresh in the minds of many grandparents in the region. Whatever your generation experienced, whether it experienced the siege of Leningrad or heard about it from your parents and grandparents. Train stations overflowing with terrified families fleeing their homes. Nights sheltering in basements and cellars. Mornings sifting through the rubble in your homes. These are not memories of the past. Not anymore. Because it's exactly what the Russian army is doing in Ukraine right now.

March 26, 2022, just days before we're at the 21 -- you were a 21st century nation, with hopes and dreams that people all over the world have for themselves and their family. Now, Vladimir Putin's aggression have cut you, the Russian people, off from the rest of the world, and it's taking Russia back to the 19th century. This is not who you are. This is not the future you deserve for your families and your children. I'm telling you the truth, this war is not worthy of you, the Russian people. Putin can and must end this war. The American people will stand with you, and the brave citizens of Ukraine who want peace.

My message to the rest of Europe, this new battle for freedom has already made a few things crystal clear. First, Europe must end its dependence on Russian fossil fuels. And we, the United States will help. [Applause] That's why just yesterday in Brussels I announced the plan with the president of the European Commission to get Europe through the immediate energy crisis. Over the long-term, as a matter of economic security and national security and for the survivability of the planet, we all need to move as quickly as possible to clean, renewable energy. And we'll work together to help to get that done so that the days of any nation being subject to the whims of a tyrant for its energy needs are over. They must end. They must end.

And second, we have to fight the corruption coming from the Kremlin to give the Russian people a fair chance. And finally, most urgently, we maintain absolute unity, we must, among the world's democracies. It's not enough to speak with rhetorical flourish of ennobling words of democracy, of freedom, of quality, and liberty. All of us, including here in Poland, must do the hard work of democracy each and every day -- my country as well. That's why [applause], that's why I came to Europe again this week with a clear and determined message for NATO, for the G7, for the European Union, for all freedom-loving nations -- we must commit now to be in this fight for the long haul. We must remain unified today and tomorrow and the day after. And for the years and decades to come. It will not be easy. There will be costs. But it is a price we have to pay because the darkness that drives autocracy is ultimately no match for the flame of liberty that lights the souls of free people everywhere.

Time and again history shows that. It's from the darkness moments that the greatest progress follows. And history shows this is the task of our time, the task of this generation. Let's remember the hammer blow that brought down the Berlin Wall, the might that lifted the Iron Curtain were not the words of a single leader, it was the people of Europe, who for decades fought to free themselves. Their sheer bravery opened the border between Austria and Hungary for the Pan-European Picnic. They joined hands for the Baltic Way. They stood for solidarity here in Poland. And together it was an unmistakable and undeniable force of the people that the Soviet Union could not withstand. And we're seeing it once again today for the brave Ukrainian people showing that their power of many is greater than the will of any one dictator.

So in this hour, let the words of Pope John Paul burn as brightly today. Never ever give up hope. Never doubt. Never tire. Never become discouraged. Be not afraid! [Applause]

A dictator bent on rebuilding an empire will never erase a people's love for liberty. Brutality will never grind down their will to be free. Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia, for free people refuse to live in a world of hopelessness and darkness. We will have a different future, a brighter future, rooted in democracy and principle, hope and light. Of decency and dignity and freedom and possibilities. For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power. God bless you all. And may God defend our freedom, and may God protect our troops. [Applause] Thank you for your patience. Thank you. Thank you.

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Mar 28 2022 08:23am
Quote (fender @ Mar 28 2022 09:05am)
lel, you even highlighted my position, only to then immediately and disingenuously suggest it was the exact opposite. see, that's why no intelligent person takes you seriously: you can't even make sense of all the different conflicting narratives in your confused little head, you just pick up bits here and there, and run with it, no critical thinking involved. that's why every time i call you out on your hackery, you default to that moronic little "hEinRiCh vAn GoEbBeLs" bit, recycling the ancient material from another moron, who also never contributed an original thought to any discussion here.

simple truth is, you largely agree with nazis and what they stand for politically and socially - and all the actual nazis here in pard recognise that and love your little rage essays - they reliably identify you as an ally. your attempts to weaponise the universal rejection of that hateful ideology are transparently disingenuous: it's obvious you're just doing that to push russian propaganda. that's why you completely ignore the important role nazis have in putin's regime, while trying to playing up the importance of ukrainian nazi scum.


I'm not the one here typing furiously in defense of Nazis. I mean, I give you credit for playing both sides of the Ukraine war, you support the Azov Battalion Nazis at the same time you suckle at Putin's teat for natural gas. Personally I oppose the Nazis, but you apparently found enough of their redeeming qualities that you'll happily get in bed with them. Except its one very awkward three-way. Historically, my roots were with those that killed Nazis, yours killed Jews, so I'm not surprised we have our differences. My only question for you is- how do the Merkel-krauts today navigate Germany's anti-free speech laws that forbid association with or support of Nazism, while supporting Nazism in Ukraine? I'm a bit mystified by the dissonance. Aren't you at risk of getting swept up and carted away by Scholz's not-Stormtroopers when you write apologetics for Nazi war criminals? At least as far as I know, you don't run those same risks guzzling away on that Putin-juice. I suppose the lawmakers couldn't predict the recurrence of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact but here we are. Poland has every reason to be worried, I spose
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I think the impact of Russia demanding rouble payments for their natural is being underreported. I think this is actually very significant. The west in response to the invasion started an economic war on Russia. Because the Russian economy is so dependent on natural resource exports to Europe I think the calculus was that Russia won't dare turn off the flow. With the rouble in free fall I think this is actually a pretty genius move as it forces the Euros to hold rouble reserves if they want Russian gas. By doing so, the Russians stabilize their currency and it further hurts the euro & dollar as it significantly decreases demand for those currencies being used for international commerce.

We'll see what happens in a week or so, most of the Euros are rejecting the demand, but if Russia really turns off the supply you could see some unprecedented shit happening in Europe as so much industry runs off gas.
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I think the impact of Russia demanding rouble payments for their natural is being underreported. I think this is actually very significant. The west in response to the invasion started an economic war on Russia. Because the Russian economy is so dependent on natural resource exports to Europe I think the calculus was that Russia won't dare turn off the flow. With the rouble in free fall I think this is actually a pretty genius move as it forces the Euros to hold rouble reserves if they want Russian gas. By doing so, the Russians stabilize their currency and it further hurts the euro & dollar as it significantly decreases demand for those currencies being used for international commerce.

We'll see what happens in a week or so, most of the Euros are rejecting the demand, but if Russia really turns off the supply you could see some unprecedented shit happening in Europe as so much industry runs off gas.


I dont know enough about this topic to comment. anything specifically i should put into the google engine / else a all en-capturing link plx!

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 28 2022 08:30am
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I'm not the one here typing furiously in defense of Nazis. I mean, I give you credit for playing both sides of the Ukraine war, you support the Azov Battalion Nazis at the same time you suckle at Putin's teat for natural gas. Personally I oppose the Nazis, but you apparently found enough of their redeeming qualities that you'll happily get in bed with them. Except its one very awkward three-way. Historically, my roots were with those that killed Nazis, yours killed Jews, so I'm not surprised we have our differences. My only question for you is- how do the Merkel-krauts today navigate Germany's anti-free speech laws that forbid association with or support of Nazism, while supporting Nazism in Ukraine? I'm a bit mystified by the dissonance. Aren't you at risk of getting swept up and carted away by Scholz's not-Stormtroopers when you write apologetics for Nazi war criminals? At least as far as I know, you don't run those same risks guzzling away on that Putin-juice. I suppose the lawmakers couldn't predict the recurrence of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact but here we are. Poland has every reason to be worried, I spose


you are still talking to the nazi apologist heinrich von goebbels?

i mean he is exposing himself with totally made up stories about other people and has no problem with nazis, nationalists and other folks as long as somebody tells him that they are the good guys

we all know that putins denazification narrative is total bullshit, however that wont change the fact that nationalism, anti lgbtq etc are the mainstream in eastern europe, the balkans and russia

before putins attack the likes of fenderp would talk shit about ukraine and its society 24/7.....classic npc
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I think the impact of Russia demanding rouble payments for their natural is being underreported. I think this is actually very significant. The west in response to the invasion started an economic war on Russia. Because the Russian economy is so dependent on natural resource exports to Europe I think the calculus was that Russia won't dare turn off the flow. With the rouble in free fall I think this is actually a pretty genius move as it forces the Euros to hold rouble reserves if they want Russian gas. By doing so, the Russians stabilize their currency and it further hurts the euro & dollar as it significantly decreases demand for those currencies being used for international commerce.

We'll see what happens in a week or so, most of the Euros are rejecting the demand, but if Russia really turns off the supply you could see some unprecedented shit happening in Europe as so much industry runs off gas.


Its a game of chicken for sure. The EU countries can argue that Russia is still locked into USD/Euro contracts. Russia still holds the physical commodity leverage. Its still around 32F / 0C in Germany. Either side can blink, or they can negotiate some roundabout compromise. India has already agreed to a plan to circumvent US sanctions by buying discounted Russian imports on a Rupee-Rouble exchange that trades for investments in the Indian market directly, which are then out of reach of western regulation. That alone is already a huge crater blown into the petrodollar, but its also a model the EU could replicate. Lets be real, while its in the EU's self-interest to deny the Rubles and in the Russian's self-interest to demand Rubles- its in both of their interests to simply sidestep the iron curtain and carry on like India.
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I dont know enough about this topic to comment. anything specifically i should put into the google engine / else a all en-capturing link plx!


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin-demands-payment-russian-gas-171248813.html

tl;dr Europe is trying to move away from Russian gas but still want Russian gas in the mean time. They want to continue to pay Russia in euro/usd. Russia to stabilize their own currency as well as to further dethrone the dollar is all of the sudden demanding payment in roubles. The deadline for Russian companies to transition to rouble payments is 3 days away.

This is a big deal because if Russia really turns off gas supplies, you could see Europe really struggle, stuff that really no one has seen in modern history. US LNG would not be able to cover the difference, nor is there any infrastructure in place to get gas from somewhere else.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 28 2022 08:42am
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