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Jun 1 2023 05:01am
Quote (Jupe @ 1 Jun 2023 12:28)


Goddamn it.
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Jun 1 2023 05:04am
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Jun 1 2023 06:34am
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This just sums up to more escalation, not in any way shape or form enough for Ukraine to actually defeat Russia
Russia is methodically razing Ukrainian cities to the ground. They are pounding Ukraine every day. If NATO can send some drones by proxy to land a few hits on Moscow or military bases or infrastructure, its not going to stop Russia, its just going to continue dramatically raising the stakes and risks of direct confrontation between east and west or nuclear escalation. Its just yet another helping of 'this won't change the outcome for the better, but risks changing it massively for the worse'.


It's hard to involve "escalations" considering Russia is sending missiles almost every night on Ukrainians cities (which are almost all intercepted since few weeks) while some russian politics and even TV stars are doing direct exterminations, genocide, and nuclear threats.
Imho the idea that Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves out of their territory is valid on these points:
- Destroying military target which are used to attack them ( ammunition depots, bombers, etc)
- Destroying infrastructures supporting the above or war effort (factories, refineries, pipelines, specific offices etc )
- Spectacular actions mobilizing back invader's defenses into its own territory (volleys of drones with alot of firework and almost no civilian victims)
- Jeopardizing, questioning, the current russian power authority ==> same of the above. So here we go: when legitimate defense becomes "escalation" ...

Quote (IceMage @ 1 Jun 2023 09:31)
The idea that we as people cannot determine morality in a conflict between nations is laughable, particularly in a situation as clear cut as the Ukraine war. Russia invaded without just cause, therefore the Ukrainians are just in repelling them. It's not complicated.


The amoralists are doing this because they know they are supporting evil: they claim some kind of "morale neutrality" while this war is based on greed and lies:
- Greed of Russia to grab new territories and greed of the CCP who also lied with some "piss plan": only to maintain this war rampant because it can deeply penetrate russian's economy or divide western free world.
- Invading ,doing war crimes, over a non agressive democratic country using the lie of "liberating ukrainian people from the nazi" ...
War laws, human right laws, have been created for a reason, ignoring them and constantly doing false equivalences with past events is not a credible approach.
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Jun 1 2023 06:42am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 1 2023 09:34am)
It's hard to involve "escalations" considering Russia is sending missiles almost every night on Ukrainians cities (which are almost all intercepted since few weeks) while some russian politics and even TV stars are doing direct exterminations, genocide, and nuclear threats.
Imho the idea that Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves out of their territory is valid on these points:
- Destroying military target which are used to attack them ( ammunition depots, bombers, etc)
- Destroying infrastructures supporting the above or war effort (factories, refineries, pipelines, specific offices etc )
-Spectacular actions mobilizing back invader's defenses into its own territory (volleys of drones with alot of firework and almost no civilian victims)
- Jeopardizing, questioning, the current russian power authority ==> same of the above. So here we go: when legitimate defense becomes "escalation" ...



The amoralists are doing this because they know they are supporting evil: they claim some kind of "morale neutrality" while this war is based on greed and lies:
- Greed of Russia to grab new territories and greed of the CCP who also lied with some "piss plan": only to maintain this war rampant because it can deeply penetrate russian's economy or divide western free world.
- Invading ,doing war crimes, over a non agressive democratic country using the lie of "liberating ukrainian people from the nazi" ...
War laws, human right laws, have been created for a reason, ignoring them and constantly doing false equivalences with past events is not a credible approach.


This video made me think of you, no idea why.
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Jun 1 2023 06:42am
Russia denounces the absence of international reactions after the bombardments in the Belgorod oblast

The Kremlin denounced a lack of international criticism after Ukrainian strikes on the Russian region of Belgorod, bordering Ukraine, where Russia said Thursday that it had repelled a major attack. "The international community has every opportunity to see images, to read articles describing the strikes on residential buildings," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. “And still not a single word that would criticize or condemn the kyiv regime for this,” he charged.

==> "Ukrainian" strikes ? Weird I thought Ukraine doesn't exist (even never existed) :o
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Jun 1 2023 07:27am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 1 2023 08:34am)
The amoralists are doing this because they know they are supporting evil: they claim some kind of "morale neutrality" while this war is based on greed and lies:
- Greed of Russia to grab new territories and greed of the CCP who also lied with some "piss plan": only to maintain this war rampant because it can deeply penetrate russian's economy or divide western free world.
- Invading ,doing war crimes, over a non agressive democratic country using the lie of "liberating ukrainian people from the nazi" ...
War laws, human right laws, have been created for a reason, ignoring them and constantly doing false equivalences with past events is not a credible approach.


What's weird is this amoral approach is thought to be sophisticated, as if those of us who label actors on the world stage as good or bad, or better or worse in a certain situation, are hopelessly naïve or something. It's very strange, particularly in a situation as cut and dry as the war in Ukraine.
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Jun 1 2023 07:40am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 1 2023 10:27am)
What's weird is this amoral approach is thought to be sophisticated, as if those of us who label actors on the world stage as good or bad, or better or worse in a certain situation, are hopelessly naïve or something. It's very strange, particularly in a situation as cut and dry as the war in Ukraine.


Lmao
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Jun 1 2023 07:43am
Quote (IceMage @ 1 Jun 2023 15:27)
What's weird is this amoral approach is thought to be sophisticated, as if those of us who label actors on the world stage as good or bad, or better or worse in a certain situation, are hopelessly naïve or something. It's very strange, particularly in a situation as cut and dry as the war in Ukraine.


An autocratic system of coercion, in my opinion, soon degenerates. For force always attracts men of low morality, and I believe it to be an invariable rule that tyrants of genius are succeeded by scoundrels. For this reason I have always been passionately opposed to systems such as we see in Italy and Russia to-day.
- Albert Einstein, The World As I See It (1949)

If you are "accused" to be a moralist then the quote above can help you arguing that ; then it's just optimization ! ^_^
What this war and even recent covid crisis demonstrated is these regimes are severly flawed.
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Jun 1 2023 07:45am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 1 2023 03:20am)
Those who hold a viewpoint that exists in the middle are moral cowards.

And calling them cowards is being diplomatic.


Lol. Have you ever fought a Russian? Cause if not you're a coward.
(Ps don't get taken alive)
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Jun 1 2023 08:01am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 1 2023 03:27pm)
What's weird is this amoral approach is thought to be sophisticated, as if those of us who label actors on the world stage as good or bad, or better or worse in a certain situation, are hopelessly naïve or something. It's very strange, particularly in a situation as cut and dry as the war in Ukraine.


Absolutely, namely NATO expansion.

Be sure to check on Stoltenberg's statement today (Moldova summit)

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