Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Jun 2023 07:13)
This just sums up to more escalation, not in any way shape or form enough for Ukraine to actually defeat Russia
Russia is methodically razing Ukrainian cities to the ground. They are pounding Ukraine every day. If NATO can send some drones by proxy to land a few hits on Moscow or military bases or infrastructure, its not going to stop Russia, its just going to continue dramatically raising the stakes and risks of direct confrontation between east and west or nuclear escalation. Its just yet another helping of 'this won't change the outcome for the better, but risks changing it massively for the worse'.
It's hard to involve "escalations" considering Russia is sending missiles almost every night on Ukrainians cities (which are almost all intercepted since few weeks) while some russian politics and even TV stars are doing direct exterminations, genocide, and nuclear threats.
Imho the idea that Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves out of their territory is valid on these points:
- Destroying military target which are used to attack them ( ammunition depots, bombers, etc)
- Destroying infrastructures supporting the above or war effort (factories, refineries, pipelines, specific offices etc )
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Spectacular actions mobilizing back invader's defenses into its own territory (volleys of drones with alot of firework and almost no civilian victims)- Jeopardizing, questioning, the current russian power authority ==> same of the above. So here we go: when legitimate defense becomes "escalation" ...
Quote (IceMage @ 1 Jun 2023 09:31)
The idea that we as people cannot determine morality in a conflict between nations is laughable, particularly in a situation as clear cut as the Ukraine war. Russia invaded without just cause, therefore the Ukrainians are just in repelling them. It's not complicated.
The amoralists are doing this because they know they are supporting evil: they claim some kind of "morale neutrality" while this war is based on greed and lies:
- Greed of Russia to grab new territories and greed of the CCP who also lied with some "piss plan": only to maintain this war rampant because it can deeply penetrate russian's economy or divide western free world.
- Invading ,doing war crimes, over a non agressive democratic country using the lie of "liberating ukrainian people from the nazi" ...
War laws, human right laws, have been created for a reason, ignoring them and constantly doing false equivalences with past events is not a credible approach.