There is no morality in war and the struggle between super powers and their insatiable need to bring one another down to maintain Hegemony. A classic case of Geo Economics and Geo Politics.
Thucydides Trap.

To pretend there is morality and calling those viewpoints as moral cowards is an extremely naive take.

The lesser evil for you is a greater evil for some of us. You are not the world.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jun 1 2023 01:25am

The idea that we as people cannot determine morality in a conflict between nations is laughable, particularly in a situation as clear cut as the Ukraine war. Russia invaded without just cause, therefore the Ukrainians are just in repelling them. It's not complicated.

That is exactly what it is. You applying moralism to a field that is fundamentally amoral by default is the problem. There are also problems with morals, it is all a matter of perspective. Not long ago Ukrainians were killing innocent Iraqis 3000km away, their deaths today is just god playing a game of irony. (this is a whataboutism joke, unless that wasn´t clear for the 50 iq monkies)



Hang seng is getting shoveled.. There is a few other interesting pieces of news
-Gerans are being used far more abundantly, and they have improved tracking/motion control
-Re-deployment of akhmat stormers that have been AFK for like 11 months
-Movement around marinka and bilohorivka

I dont expect any big maneuvers though, seems more like slow forward grind and steady digging in.



Without cause in your eyes. The real cause was to avenge the dead iraqis that ukranians killed between 2003-2011.

Also you don´t have to morally agree with something to understand why it happens, to say "invaded without cause", is like saying your mother got pregnant without cause. Sure from our perspective, it would´ve been preferable if you weren´t born, and your mother probably equivalently terrible as your downsy writings

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 1 2023 01:43am

No one here thinks that war is moral.
Whether is it

Russia / Ukraine
Russisa / Afghanistan
Potential China / Taiwan
USA / Iraq ( Second war ) / Panama / Mid East / Yugoslavia / Vietnam etc etc etc

Everyone can determine morality in a conflict between nations . We are discussing the root cause and why in happen, at least for some of us here.
If we are going to discuss the morality of it, the whole thread will be Spam with endless Russia are orcs and we can all circle jerk around one another and feel good about ourselves being Saints and morally upright citizens of the world.

Basically you talk a lot of bullshit chastising Russia and those poster who are not hugging you screaming and calling Russia orcs you scream at them calling them names.
In the end of the day like school shootings, you will end up with the classic Thoughts and Prayers , Russia Evil and here are some weapons, this will satisfy your moral needs , this will satisfy your military industry complex wallets , this will satisfy your foreign policy establishment.
Awesome

Perhaps this is the exact situation domestically in a lot of Western countries at the moment and more so for the United States. Left versus Right , you wrong I right, Trump is Evil , Biden is evil.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jun 1 2023 01:43am

Nah, moralism is all about hollywood producing movies about how bad they felt shooting up brownies 10 year after the fact.

I dont mind moralists, i just despise selective moralists by the way. Because all you are doing is stroking your sociopathic ego only in regards to "those" you find relatable.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 1 2023 01:45am

The most famous feel good actor in Hollywood.


Mark Wahlberg

Drug addict who:



ALSO:


Accurate representation of 90% of the ppl in this topic. I can see meanwhile doing these things if he wasnt a "female"

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 1 2023 01:51am

All you need to do is look at his Sig and quote says it all. I wonder why he talks about morals.

This post is incoherent. You pretend morals don't matter and then go on to accuse the Ukrainians as being immoral toward Iraqis.

Morals matter. It doesn't matter if you acknowledge that, what matters is that human beings generally acknowledge it.



Intent and justification matters. Russians invaded Ukraine.. they pursued a genocidal mission. It's wrong for those reasons, but it's also wrong for other reasons.

Look at your own quote mate, there is absolutely nothing wrong championing and protecting your country's interest.