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Mar 27 2022 11:24am
Seen a video on twitter of *allegedly* Ukrainian soldiers filiming Russian POWs after having shot them in the leg. This must be investigated and those responsible held to account if true
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Mar 27 2022 11:33am
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Seen a video on twitter of *allegedly* Ukrainian soldiers filiming Russian POWs after having shot them in the leg. This must be investigated and those responsible held to account if true


Who knows if this specific video is real or not but IMO that type of stuff is more common than it's not during war. The concept of 'war-crime' goes out the window when shit gets real.

When we in the west see videos of kids building Molotovs, many think oh wow how badass. No one cares to talk or think about the real possibility of a month later some teen trying to throw that at some armor or group of soldiers and getting shot dead.
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Mar 27 2022 11:36am
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Who knows if this specific video is real or not but IMO that type of stuff is more common than it's not during war. The concept of 'war-crime' goes out the window when shit gets real.

When we in the west see videos of kids building Molotovs, many think oh wow how badass. No one cares to talk or think about the real possibility of a month later some teen trying to throw that at some armor or group of soldiers and getting shot dead.


If a child throws a molotov, they are a legitimate military target. The US kills children all the time who pick up guns, plant IEDs, etc. No one enjoys killing a child but it's often necessary.

I think for war crimes to "matter," they have to be done at scale. I have to imagine that a handful of Russian generals, colonels, and commanders will never be able to leave Russia again or else they'll be arrested.
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Mar 27 2022 12:02pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 27 2022 12:33pm)
Who knows if this specific video is real or not but IMO that type of stuff is more common than it's not during war. The concept of 'war-crime' goes out the window when shit gets real.

When we in the west see videos of kids building Molotovs, many think oh wow how badass. No one cares to talk or think about the real possibility of a month later some teen trying to throw that at some armor or group of soldiers and getting shot dead.


A military that's still organized and capable of fighting to win a war should not have soldiers committing war crimes unchecked in the chaos. Military discipline is the most basic element of an army. There's supposed to be a command structure and responsibility, means to check upon such behavior. When a military completely breaks down and is so disorganized and unaccountable that soldiers don't have anyone to report to or to check their behavior and they're just winging it as they go along, well that's an army that's already lost, in more sense than one.
It happens, yes, when the shit hits the fan. And it a pretty good indicator of collapse.


The real disgusting part is how the western media has been covering up war crimes and cheering on those kids building molotovs. Pressing refugees into a doomed military? Recruiting child soldiers on twitter? Posting videos of Russian POWs being abused, tortured, murdered? Literal Nazis? In Afghanistan we brushed over Bachu Bazi and in Syria we looked the other way while Al Qaeda executed children accused of spying.
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Mar 27 2022 12:21pm
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A military that's still organized and capable of fighting to win a war should not have soldiers committing war crimes unchecked in the chaos. Military discipline is the most basic element of an army. There's supposed to be a command structure and responsibility, means to check upon such behavior. When a military completely breaks down and is so disorganized and unaccountable that soldiers don't have anyone to report to or to check their behavior and they're just winging it as they go along, well that's an army that's already lost, in more sense than one.
It happens, yes, when the shit hits the fan. And it a pretty good indicator of collapse.


The real disgusting part is how the western media has been covering up war crimes and cheering on those kids building molotovs. Pressing refugees into a doomed military? Recruiting child soldiers on twitter? Posting videos of Russian POWs being abused, tortured, murdered? Literal Nazis? In Afghanistan we brushed over Bachu Bazi and in Syria we looked the other way while Al Qaeda executed children accused of spying.


The Soviets treated POWs dreadfully within their command and control structure. 400,000 Wehrmacht POWs died in forced labour camps, clearly not a result of how the war was going but the innate desire for a form of payback and justice. Therefore, one cannot reasonably suggest treatment of POWs is indicative of how an army is doing overall, particularly when fighting is spread across three theatres of war with differing objectives and successes

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Mar 27 2022 12:37pm
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The Soviets treated POWs dreadfully within their command and control structure. 400,000 Wehrmacht POWs died in forced labour camps, clearly not a result of how the war was going but the innate desire for a form of payback and justice. Therefore, one cannot reasonably suggest treatment of POWs is indicative of how an army is doing overall, particularly when fighting is spread across three theatres of war with differing objectives and successes


How was the soviet army doing overall?
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Mar 27 2022 12:46pm
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How was the soviet army doing overall?


They won the war, and German POWs remained as prisoners until the 1950s
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Mar 27 2022 12:56pm
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They won the war, and German POWs remained as prisoners until the 1950s


a few thousand remained that long

they needed forced labor, because they sacrificed more people than anyone else in history

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 27 2022 08:21pm)
The Soviets treated POWs dreadfully within their command and control structure. 400,000 Wehrmacht POWs died in forced labour camps, clearly not a result of how the war was going but the innate desire for a form of payback and justice. Therefore, one cannot reasonably suggest treatment of POWs is indicative of how an army is doing overall, particularly when fighting is spread across three theatres of war with differing objectives and successes


i mean, the soviets let their own people starve in gulags so why would enemy soldiers receive any kind of decent treatment in the first place
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Mar 27 2022 03:21pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 27 2022 06:33pm)
Who knows if this specific video is real or not but IMO that type of stuff is more common than it's not during war. The concept of 'war-crime' goes out the window when shit gets real.

When we in the west see videos of kids building Molotovs, many think oh wow how badass. No one cares to talk or think about the real possibility of a month later some teen trying to throw that at some armor or group of soldiers and getting shot dead.


Video was confirmed to be real by both sides and soldiers will be taken to court. Case closed.
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Mar 27 2022 03:56pm
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Video was confirmed to be real by both sides and soldiers will be taken to court. Case closed.


Yeah seen it just now, pretty fucked up doesn't seem fake. These soldiers are pretty dumb.
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