d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev1281928202821282228234466Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 64,732
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
May 27 2023 09:09am
Headlines: Russian car sales jump to 70% above last year's sales!

The reality:

Member
Posts: 14,674
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 100,701.50
May 27 2023 09:10am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 27 2023 04:47pm)
We've already seen pretty great consequences. Russias economy is in shambles, the world is reorienting away from their energy sector, and they've lost hundreds of thousands of men and basically all of their tech manufactured after like 1980.


Correction

Sanctions failed to produce the desired result, Russia evades the sanctions and is now in bed with China, great results dude. And you believe they've used up all their tech since April last year like MSM propaganda told you? Good boy


Quote (Meanwhile @ May 27 2023 04:48pm)


So you use a picture of Putin, probably memorial day or something and that's your reply?

0/10 argument
0/10 content
10/10 trash post

Congretulations


Quote (Santara @ May 27 2023 05:02pm)
Why won't those pesky Ukrainians just surrender and live in peace under despotism???

SMH


You failed to explain several times how a bunch of prisoners armed with shovels took the strategically important fortress Bakhmut while Ukraine did what it could to prevent that while being trained and supplied by NATO.

Member
Posts: 14,674
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 100,701.50
May 27 2023 09:14am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 27 2023 05:09pm)
Headlines: Russian car sales jump to 70% above last year's sales!

The reality:

https://i.imgur.com/UFCOz2w.png


Headlines: Cubans still use their old American imports and don't give a fuck.

Other headlines: NK produced their own nukes and the regime is eating caviar.



Member
Posts: 64,732
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
May 27 2023 09:16am
Quote (Djunior @ May 27 2023 10:10am)
Correction

Sanctions failed to produce the desired result, Russia evades the sanctions and is now in bed with China, great results dude. And you believe they've used up all their tech since April last year like MSM propaganda told you? Good boy



Russia has been open about being forced to rely on massive stockpiles of soviet Era manufacturing.

And the sanctions did produce the desired result. Only in lala land is a 60% decrease in economic and manufacturing activity not an absolute annihilation of their economy. The only way they avoided total collapse was with Chinese oil deals but even those are now falling through with the shipping price caps being enforced.
Member
Posts: 64,732
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
May 27 2023 09:17am
Quote (Djunior @ May 27 2023 10:14am)
Headlines: Cubans still use their old American imports and don't give a fuck.

Other headlines: NK produced their own nukes and the regime is eating caviar.


Yeah the people are defecting in droves and now soldiers are actively changing sides to avoid the slaughter.

Meanwhile the caviar eating elites just happen to fall out of a lot of windows lately.

Truly the sanctions are having no impact

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on May 27 2023 09:19am
Member
Posts: 51,621
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 45,309.00
Warn: 10%
May 27 2023 09:20am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 27 2023 04:08pm)
Ah yeah let's talk about all this, especially CCP:

I usually don't like WSJ but well it's pretty much recognized as accurate, very certainly much more than eastern news ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-pushing-ukraine-cease-fire-gets-cool-reception-in-europe-614774dd

Europe Rebuffs China’s Efforts to Split the West in Pushing Ukraine Cease-Fire
European officials are questioning Beijing’s ability to be an honest broker

The Chinese envoy dispatched to push Beijing’s peace plan for Ukraine carried a clear message: U.S. allies in Europe should assert their autonomy and urge an immediate cease-fire, leaving Russia in possession of the parts of its smaller neighbor that it now occupies, according to Western officials familiar with talks in capitals across the continent.

Diplomat Li Hui, who has visited Kyiv, Warsaw, Berlin, Paris and Brussels this month, urged European governments to view China as an economic alternative to Washington and said they should move quickly to end the conflict between Russia and Ukraine before it spreads, those officials said. Li was due to travel to Moscow on Friday.
The officials, while saying it is too early to dismiss Beijing’s efforts, questioned China’s ability to act as an honest broker in any negotiations given how closely it is aligned with Moscow. The officials said they didn’t think peace would be possible until Russian troops withdraw from Ukraine.
China’s Foreign Ministry didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

“We explained that freezing the conflict is not in the interest of the international community unless there is withdrawal of Russian troops,” a diplomat who spoke to Li said. The diplomat said Li was told “it’s impossible to split Europe from America” and that Europe wouldn’t withdraw support from Ukraine.

“They are probably testing the unity of the West and trying to show initiative,” another diplomat said.

==>

So i will make it clear: China (I should say CCP high ranked members) does not want peace, they want to:

- Freeze and maintain conflict as long as it arrange them
- To divide the west US <=> EU <=> Ukraine
- Acting like they are key peace actors. They could, but they aren't doing it.

:ph34r:


On a side note: LULA (Brasil) the weathercock :banana:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3222002/ukraine-war-brazils-lula-turns-down-vladimir-putins-invitation-visit-russia

.


The flaw in your commentary here is:

China has advocated peace
The US has said no to peace

so even if China's call for peace is false, at least they are vocalizing it. Anyone in the west calling for peace is ostracized, actually, anyone calling for peace is ostracized.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 27 2023 09:21am
Member
Posts: 64,732
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
May 27 2023 09:24am
Quote (ferdia @ May 27 2023 10:20am)
The flaw in your commentary here is:

China has advocated peace
The US has said no to peace

so even if China's call for peace is false, at least they are vocalizing it. Anyone in the west calling for peace is ostracized.


China's "call for peace" is not a ceasefire, it's a surrender. It's honestly pathetic that you would fall for that crap by calling it a "call for peace".

Meanwhile in the USA our call for peace is actual peace, where the aggressor stops and the war ends.

Russia could create peace tomorrow by just not invading another country. Ukraine is not the one avoiding peace by defending itself.
Member
Posts: 4,680
Joined: Feb 5 2022
Gold: 11.11
May 27 2023 09:26am
Quote (ferdia @ May 27 2023 11:20am)
Anyone in the west calling for peace is ostracized, actually, anyone calling for peace is ostracized.


(They) need more instability in the world so (they) can manufacture more proxy wars so good men can go die for ((foreign)) interests.

And you're right if anyone in the west vocalizes this point they are painted into a (you are a Russian shill) corner. Sad really
Member
Posts: 64,732
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 260.11
May 27 2023 09:28am
Quote (zorzin @ May 27 2023 10:26am)
(They) need more instability in the world so (they) can manufacture more proxy wars so good men can go die for ((foreign)) interests.

And you're right if anyone in the west vocalizes this point they are painted into a (you are a Russian shill) corner. Sad really


Anybody calling for peace by asking Ukraine to surrender territory without fighting back is a Russian shill.

Lots of people are calling for peace by calling for Russia to stop invading and deterring further invasions by arming Ukraine. Anything less encourages more invasions by Russia and is not seeking peace in the long term.
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 27 2023 09:32am
Quote (ferdia @ 27 May 2023 17:20)
The flaw in your commentary here is:

China has advocated peace
The US has said no to peace

so even if CCP call for peace is false, at least they are vocalizing it. Anyone in the west calling for peace is ostracized, actually, anyone calling for peace is ostracized.


Do you think there will be peace if the actual front borders are frozen ?
Do you think it's a profit for CCP if Russia enters in peace and join EU/West in the next years (Or even risk to) ?

For them, and anyone can understand this IMHO, it's better to keep a moderated and rampant conflict in the area.

- So they have Russia keep begging them and getting economically dependant (this require several years)
- Eu weaknened and even potentially defiant to US in the middle term (same, several years)
- Incoming US & EU elections...

Nope, "China" (ccp high ranked) does NOT want peace . (/e they can "advocate" or pretend, or even pretended).

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 27 2023 09:34am
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1281928202821282228234466Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll