Quote (ferdia @ 27 May 2023 16:51)
yep the US and their western allies are now forcing Russia and China together, and forcing them to shop elsewhere in terms of trade or to be self reliant (you can read all about what China is doing in this regard...). Therefore all the safety checks of mutual benefits are being removed which will pave the way for an even more escalated West vs East conflict. "sure we can go to war with Russia and China now, after all, we dont believe that they can do anything to hurt us short of nuclear weapons and they would never do that (even though we used nuclear weapons in the past). Provided we dont invade them we can do w/e the hell we like, and if our allies (who we militarized) invade them well, that was not us".
What can possibly go wrong with this master plan!? :bonk:
Ah yeah let's talk about all this, especially CCP:
I usually don't like WSJ but well it's pretty much recognized as accurate, very certainly much more than eastern news ...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-pushing-ukraine-cease-fire-gets-cool-reception-in-europe-614774dd Europe Rebuffs China’s Efforts to Split the West in Pushing Ukraine Cease-Fire
European officials are questioning Beijing’s ability to be an honest broker
The Chinese envoy dispatched to push Beijing’s peace plan for Ukraine carried a clear message: U.S. allies in Europe should assert their autonomy and
urge an immediate cease-fire, leaving Russia in possession of the parts of its smaller neighbor that it now occupies, according to Western officials familiar with talks in capitals across the continent.
Diplomat Li Hui, who has visited Kyiv, Warsaw, Berlin, Paris and Brussels this month, urged European governments to view China as an economic alternative to Washington and said they should move quickly to end the conflict between Russia and Ukraine before it spreads, those officials said. Li was due to travel to Moscow on Friday.
The officials, while saying it is too early to dismiss Beijing’s efforts, questioned China’s ability to act as an honest broker in any negotiations given how closely it is aligned with Moscow. The officials said they didn’t think peace would be possible until Russian troops withdraw from Ukraine.
China’s Foreign Ministry didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
“We explained that freezing the conflict is not in the interest of the international community unless there is withdrawal of Russian troops,” a diplomat who spoke to Li said. The diplomat said Li was told “it’s impossible to split Europe from America” and that Europe wouldn’t withdraw support from Ukraine.
“They are probably testing the unity of the West and trying to show initiative,” another diplomat said.
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So i will make it clear: China (I should say CCP high ranked members) does not want peace, they want to:
- Freeze and
maintain conflict as long as it
arrange them
- To divide the west US <=> EU <=> Ukraine
- Acting like they are key peace actors. They could, but they aren't doing it.
On a side note: LULA (Brasil) the weathercock
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3222002/ukraine-war-brazils-lula-turns-down-vladimir-putins-invitation-visit-russia.