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Sep 13 2018 09:41am
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 13 2018 11:33am)
I don't understand the meaning of "set up" in context of that question. Are you asking if she was set up by Putin? By others in her own government that were working on Putin's behalf?

The phrase "really a bad deal" is hard to evaluate because we don't have an alternate reality in which the deal was not made to compare.

The best we have to go on is that Putin didn't like the deal, which means it was probably good for Ukraine. But who knows what backroom concessions she had to make in order to get it done. It did seem awful suspicious that she was able to get a good deal at all.


"On January 18 the dispute was resolved when Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Yulia Tymoshenko negotiated a new contract that covered the next ten years (on October 11, 2011, a Ukrainian court sentenced Tymoshenko to seven years in prison for abuse of office because she signed this deal ... and Ukraine was speculated to have incurred major economic losses"
sure about that?
that's what I'm referring to. were they phony charges? or was it actually a bad deal? or a little bit of both? hence why I was wondering if she was "Set up" or pressured into signing a bad deal by Pro-Kremlin cronies in Ukraine.
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Sep 13 2018 09:49am
Quote (Horford @ Sep 13 2018 11:41am)
"On January 18 the dispute was resolved when Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Yulia Tymoshenko negotiated a new contract that covered the next ten years (on October 11, 2011, a Ukrainian court sentenced Tymoshenko to seven years in prison for abuse of office because she signed this deal ... and Ukraine was speculated to have incurred major economic losses"
sure about that?


No, I'm not sure about that. I'm just speculating on the circumstantial evidence.

Quote (Horford @ Sep 13 2018 11:41am)
I was wondering if she was "Set up" or pressured into signing a bad deal by Pro-Kremlin cronies in Ukraine.


The phrase "bad deal" is problematic.

If mobsters come around your business and demand "protection money", is it a 'bad deal' to pay them? Well financially, it looks bad because you are losing money for nothing. But in the larger picture, what's the other option?

Would it have been better let her people freeze while holding out for a better financial deal that would never come? She was backed into a corner.

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Sep 13 2018 09:53am
that makes more sense now, thanks. I suspect the Ukraine court must've been fairly corrupt around that time (2011)? if not, then I'm back to square one lol.
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#2804
Sep 14 2018 06:36am
Manafort reportedly making a plea deal.
Has he flipped? Or is he just gonna plead guilty?
Excitement abounds.
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#2805
Sep 14 2018 06:55am
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 14 2018 07:36am)
Manafort reportedly making a plea deal.
Has he flipped? Or is he just gonna plead guilty?
Excitement abounds.


The reports say there's no cooperation deal... and the plea agreement isn't finalized.

You have to wonder why Trump speaks highly of Manafort, and appears to hint at a pardon, if the guy doesn't have anything to offer Mueller.
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#2806
Sep 14 2018 07:15am
Did we get those Pesky Russians, yet?

Confirmed?
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Sep 14 2018 08:45am
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 14 2018 07:36am)
Manafort reportedly making a plea deal.
Has he flipped? Or is he just gonna plead guilty?
Excitement abounds.


Doubtful, since a judge already ruled collusion stuff as being off limits in the second trial.
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#2808
Sep 14 2018 09:27am
Evan Pérez
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Prosecutor Andrew Weismann says there is a cooperation agreement with Manafort

8:24 AM - 14 Sep 2018


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#2809
Sep 14 2018 09:37am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 12 2018 06:26pm)
ETA to impeachment?


Quote (djman72 @ Sep 13 2018 07:02am)
ISO this

FG FT


Quote (djman72 @ Sep 14 2018 06:15am)
Did we get those Pesky Russians, yet?

Confirmed?


Quote (IceMage @ Sep 14 2018 08:27am)
Evan Pérez
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Prosecutor Andrew Weismann says there is a cooperation agreement with Manafort

8:24 AM - 14 Sep 2018


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Sep 14 2018 10:02am
Quote (Beowulf @ Sep 14 2018 08:37am)
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The boy cried wolf one too many times. I get how you guys think every little detail is some important tidbit that brings you closer to Trumps impeachment but 99% of America has moved on from the political version of days of our lives. At this point, it’s sad to see how obssesed some of you guys are. It’s like seeing some dweebs at the water cooler talk about The walking dead and how this is some new dramatic twist in the story and they’re giddy with excitement, when most people stopped watching that show 2 years ago.

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