Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 May 2023 14:20)

Because you think USSR wasn't a threat for non nuclear powered Europe ? You want to read the USSR map in EU again or it will be ok ?

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In 1961, the US government put Jupiter nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. It had also trained a paramilitary force of Cuban exiles, which the CIA led in an attempt to invade Cuba and overthrow the Cuban government. Starting in November of that year, the US government engaged in a campaign of terrorism and sabotage in Cuba, referred to as the Cuban Project, which continued throughout the first half of the 1960s. The Soviet administration was concerned about a Cuban drift towards China, with which the Soviets had an increasingly fractious relationship. In response to these factors, Soviet First Secretary, Nikita Khrushchev, agreed with the Cuban Prime Minister, Fidel Castro, to place nuclear missiles on the island of Cuba to deter a future invasion. An agreement was reached during a secret meeting between Khrushchev and Castro in July 1962, and construction of a number of missile launch facilities started later that summer.

Quote (Meanwhile @ May 25 2023 01:20pm)

Because you think USSR wasn't a threat for non nuclear powered Europe ? You want to read the USSR map in EU again or it will be ok ?

Quote (ferdia @ 25 May 2023 20:32)

How do you suddenly presume to know what i think lol ?? the USSR WAS a threat to Europe, and we are right now making it into a serious threat through idiotic policies. Both France and England had nukes by 1963 but not enough. From a Superpowers (USA, Russia) perspective europe and everyone in it was largely irrelevant. The US created Nukes. The US nuked Japan. In response, Russia was forced to create nuclear weapons. It kept its nuclear weapons in Russia. America then decided to put nuclear weapons in Turkey. Russia then put nuclear weapons in Cuba. As a resolution to the Cuban Missile Crisis the US temporarily removed its Nuclear Weapons from Turkey and Russia removed its Nukes from Cuba (it already had nukes in Cuba).

So really, cause and effect ok.

ok thats enough for me talking to the wall, Malopox, im tagging out haha.

Quote (Malopox @ 25 May 2023 12:30)

This really had nothing to do with “non nuclear powered Europe” as Western Europe already had nukes (Both France and eg UK had nukes by the start of the 1960s.)
Literally a Wikipedia quote:

Quote (ferdia @ 25 May 2023 12:32)

How do you suddenly presume to know what i think lol ?? the USSR WAS a threat to Europe, and we are right now making it into a serious threat through idiotic policies. Both France and England had nukes by 1963 but not enough. From a Superpowers (USA, Russia) perspective europe and everyone in it was largely irrelevant. The US created Nukes. The US nuked Japan. In response, Russia was forced to create nuclear weapons. It kept its nuclear weapons in Russia. America then decided to put nuclear weapons in Turkey. Russia then put nuclear weapons in Cuba. As a resolution to the Cuban Missile Crisis the US temporarily removed its Nuclear Weapons from Turkey and Russia removed its Nukes from Cuba (it already had nukes in Cuba).

So really, cause and effect ok.

ok thats enough for me talking to the wall, Malopox, im tagging out haha.

Quote (Djunior @ 25 May 2023 13:51)

Nice

Now let's hear ^Meanwhile / ^Prox1m1ty / ^Ironfister 's unhinged rants, lol

Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 May 2023 14:43)

No, France carried out its first test of A-bomb in 1960 and H-bomb in 1968.

A presidential directive of December 16, 1961 called for the nuclear forces to be capable “of inflicting on the Soviet Union a notable reduction, that is to say about 50%, of its economic function”. In this directive, Charles de Gaulle explains this objective: “In ten years, we will have enough to kill 80 million Russians.
UK Was ahead at the very beginning (1957) but in the same way; pretty sure they were not ready, especially with techno at the time.
Regarding activities in CIA: nothing special; they were trying to prevent this state to basculate on the other side.

For more info about how things are going onTODAY
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=647096124




It was a question following: "agreeing with me that the missiles in turkey were a direct threat of breaking the balance" you said.
Read above for France

Quote (Malopox @ 25 May 2023 12:49)

Literally - France had nukes ready and was testing them in the 1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggane_series,_French_nuclear_tests
France was largely irrelevant as the big power struggle was between US who developed nukes first and killed hundreds of thousands with them. Soviets got scared and developed their own nukes. When they realized nukes were stationed on their border and ready to go off any second with minutes of flight time - they mirrored this decision by placing nukes in Cuba with minutes of flight time to eg DC.
These are literally hard facts written in stone. There can be no opinions about it whether it was right, wrong, left, center. It’s history and we now know enough how it actually went down.
We will know more about Ukraine conflict by the end of this century once it’s no longer relevant and all these warmongers like Nuland will retire after publishing memoirs about “fighting the good fight”.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 May 2023 14:53)

Yeah, play semantics, "had nukes"... Yes test nukes... A bomb, not H bomb. Then France irrelevant ("literally" i guess).
Finally Staline country was afraid ? OHHH THE POOR LITTLE COUNTRY AFRAID OF THE BAD MURICA !!!!

Quote (Ironfister @ 25 May 2023 14:49)

Basically Ukraine was given a choice: surrender to Russia peacefully, or risk Russia attacking.
They didnt want to surrender, but was it a provocation from Ukraine?
I dont think so.
If somebody asks you to become his slave, or he will be angry with you, and you say him: "I refuse your demands", are you provoking the guy to attack you?
Of course not.