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May 25 2023 04:52am
Here is another video, maybe some people will start watching video's now (but i doubt it)



Quote (Ironfister @ May 25 2023 11:50am)
Honestly Poland has a border with Russia, Królewiec area, and it was always full of nukes anyway.
Its the NATO that tries to be nice with Russia and doesnt put nukes next to them, but Russians never did.
Germany capital Berlin is also reachable from Russian Królewiec.
But it does make one more reason for NATO to help Ukraine stop Russia, instead of surrending to evil Russian imperialists.


your narrative is flawed. the US put nukes close to russia first, russia then put nukes close to america and that was what was called the cuban missile crisis. cheers.

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your narrative is flawed. the US put nukes close to russia first, russia then put nukes close to america and that was what was called the cuban missile crisis. cheers.


Russia was USSR which had nukes and had already invaded by force several countries all around, remember this ?

your narrative is flawed



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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 25 2023 08:05am)
Russia was USSR which had nukes and had already invaded by force several countries all around, remember this ?

your narrative is flawed

https://maps-russia.com/img/1200/ussr-map-before-and-after.jpg


Wow....
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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 25 2023 12:05pm)
Russia was USSR which had nukes and had already invaded by force several countries all around, remember this ?

your narrative is flawed

https://maps-russia.com/img/1200/ussr-map-before-and-after.jpg


It was the US that put nukes into europe first, in turkey. the russians responded by putting nuclear weapons in cuba. this is historical fact and was called "the cuban missile crisis" (this means it happened, its confirmed and you can read about it).

as part of a resolution to the cuban missile crisis, the US removed the nuclear weapons in Turkey, when things settled down, the US put nuclear weapons back into Turkey. This is not the first time this is mentioned, hopefully it will lodge this time.

its called cause and effect.

The US put weapons in turkey, so Russia put weapons in Cuba
The US moved to bring Ukraine into Nato, so Russia invaded

remove morality from the equation.

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Quote (ferdia @ 25 May 2023 11:27)
It was the US that put nukes into europe first, in turkey. the russians responded by putting nuclear weapons in cuba. this is historical fact and was called "the cuban missile crisis" (this means it happened, its confirmed and you can read about it).
as part of a resolution to the cuban missile crisis, the US removed the nuclear weapons in Turkey, when things settled down, the US put nuclear weapons back into Turkey. This is not the first time this is mentioned, hopefully it will lodge this time.


No, USSR (what you called "Russia") aka Putin's empire wishes already had nuclear power, while France only started first nuclear tests in 1959 (and UK 1957, but here distance is very important considering technology at this time).

I hope that you realize the necessary time to develop fully operational missiles program at this time: 5-10 years easy, except if you are a very big country eventually.

So at this time USSR already annexed several countries around and even had some strong influence over others countries (communism was still a fashion, which dramatically dropped with amazing [SUPER]PURGES, GULAG and LAGOAI)

In clear words: USSR was a direct threat to the nearby countries, totally: West EU had no protection against nuclear attack and US were far away (once again, especially with technology at this time)

Italy & Turkey welcomed the installation of nuclear deterrence on their territory. Thats for sure, better than being an annexed cuck.


/e btw, later, the nuclear SLBM deterrence managed calmed down the whole game.

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Quote (Malopox @ May 25 2023 10:44am)
Big piece on Ukraine war - but I feel like all talking points have been discussed here on this forum at lengths.

Something new for me was an interview with Ukranian presidential advisor Arestovich that openly said in 2019 that he acknowledges “that our price for joining NATO is a big war with Russia.”

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-provoked-and-why-that-matters-if-we-want-peace


Nice

Now let's hear / / 's unhinged rants, lol
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Quote (Djunior @ 25 May 2023 11:51)
Nice

Now let's hear ^Meanwhile / ^Prox1m1ty / ^Ironfister 's unhinged rants, lol


already done;

The price to pay for being a truely sovereign nation, without getting elected presidents to be poisoned by Putin: to face the russian agression.

Thanks for finding it back, i posted this video earlier in this topic, several times few months ago.

To join nato and be a free nation (and thus risking being attacked) or to be absorbed in the next decade.

[/QUOTE]


btw:

French Senate passes recognition of Holodomor as genocide
https://news.yahoo.com/french-senate-passes-recognition-holodomor-192935398.html

French parliament approves motion to list Wagner as terrorist organization
https://news.yahoo.com/media-french-parliament-approves-motion-225308116.html







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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 25 2023 12:40pm)
No, USSR (what you called "Russia") aka Putin's empire wishes already had nuclear power, while France only started first nuclear tests in 1959 (and UK 1957, but here distance is very important considering technology at this time).

I hope that you realize the necessary time to develop fully operational missiles program at this time: 5-10 years easy, except if you are a very big country eventually.

So at this time USSR already annexed several countries around and even had some strong influence over others countries (communism was still a fashion, which dramatically dropped with amazing [SUPER]PURGES, GULAG and LAGOAI)

In clear words: USSR was a direct threat to the nearby countries, totally: West EU had no protection against nuclear attack and US were far away (once again, especially with technology at this time)

Italy & Turkey welcomed the installation of nuclear deterrence on their territory. Thats for sure, better than being an annexed cuck.


/e btw, later, the nuclear SLBM deterrence managed calmed down the whole game.


You have made a good argument here, and your not wrong, it was ever the fear that Russia would ever move westwards. By this same logic, surely then you see the Russian perspective of, dont come any closer to us, we have already receded?
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 May 2023 13:40)
No, USSR (what you called "Russia") aka Putin's empire wishes already had nuclear power, while France only started first nuclear tests in 1959 (and UK 1957, but here distance is very important considering technology at this time).

I hope that you realize the necessary time to develop fully operational missiles program at this time: 5-10 years easy, except if you are a very big country eventually.

So at this time USSR already annexed several countries around and even had some strong influence over others countries (communism was still a fashion, which dramatically dropped with amazing [SUPER]PURGES, GULAG and LAGOAI)

In clear words: USSR was a direct threat to the nearby countries, totally: West EU had no protection against nuclear attack and US were far away (once again, especially with technology at this time)

Italy & Turkey welcomed the installation of nuclear deterrence on their territory. Thats for sure, better than being an annexed cuck.


/e btw, later, the nuclear SLBM deterrence managed calmed down the whole game.


I read all of this and see that the influence of Goebbels and McCarthy have transcended their lives.



Notice how the similarities how he makes random bold sentences, underlines and colour emphasis on words.

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