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#27941
May 24 2023 12:29pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 08:28pm)
#10 months to take Bahkmut, and at least 20,000 wagner "mercenaries" died. Only Wagner. Are you contesting this numberr ?


I'm pointing out the Ukrainian losses, read the posts if you didn't get that
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#27942
May 24 2023 12:34pm
Quote (Djunior @ 24 May 2023 20:29)
I'm pointing out the Ukrainian losses, read the posts if you didn't get that


You have sources for Ukrainian losses in bakhmut ? Because in such warfare it is the attacker who get the most casulaties, and it's going wild if there's no training, bad weapons etc...

Again:
- what are your sources for Ukrainian losses in Bakhmut ?
- at least 20,000 wagner "mercenaries" died [ in Bakhmut ] (this is validated information and you know it)

Quote (Djunior @ 24 May 2023 20:28)
You didn't explain ANYTHING, let me explain it for you, lol
A country that has spent a huge percentage of it's GDP and resources on defense against NATO (I mean everything, from the cold war until now) is NOT going to accept your trash excuse "those countries wanted it, trololol". That's completely logical, the US wouldn't either, as you know ;)
It will never work like that. NATO should've understood that, it's insane that a professional military alliance uses such an excuse to keep encroaching on their adversary willingly threatening world peace.


Nato did a military attack on Ukraine, killing civilians, doing war crimes ? Ukraine was forced to join Nato ?
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#27943
May 24 2023 12:41pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 24 2023 01:20pm)
You're dishonest, you cherry picked a tiny snippet while the source explained that Wagner received massive support from the regular Russian army

Wagner took Soledar first and then took Bakhmut, just look at those places they're razed to the ground. You believe that was done by Wagner recruits armed with AKs and hand grenades?

Every building, every strongpoint, every trench was bombed out after Wagner provided coordinates and the Ukrainian defenders in those strongpoints are now dead.

The fact of the matter is that Ukraine could NOT hold Soledar and Bakhmut in spite of a huge number of troops thrown at it, they were outgunned and they took huge losses.


You're pretending to "know" what I believe? Even while I have consistently drawn no distinction between Wagnerites and other orcs? *Guffaw*
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#27944
May 24 2023 01:31pm
War on information really intensified.

- Did the russian freedom incursion in belgorod region was really "crushed" or did they manage to get out of it without casulaties ?
- Zaluzhnyi still dead or resurrected ?
- /e Putin claimed a 300 year old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country... This is really dangerous stance.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 24 2023 01:37pm
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May 24 2023 02:10pm
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May 24 2023 02:15pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 08:34pm)
You have sources for Ukrainian losses in bakhmut ? Because in such warfare it is the attacker who get the most casulaties, and it's going wild if there's no training, bad weapons etc...

Again:
- what are your sources for Ukrainian losses in Bakhmut ?
- at least 20,000 wagner "mercenaries" died [ in Bakhmut ] (this is validated information and you know it)

Nato did a military attack on Ukraine, killing civilians, doing war crimes ? Ukraine was forced to join Nato ?


Ukrainian losses are higher, check Soledar and Bakhmut footage and imagine Ukrainian defenders in those buildings being pulverized. You should check the list of Ukrainian units that were fighting there and all took severe losses, it's so bad that Ukraine keeps the numbers secret.

And you are completely clueless regarding NATO expansion and that countries like Russia should shut up and let NATO do what they please when both sides have been adversaries for 8 decades.

NATO should try Taiwan next so drones like you can spam this section for years to come (China should just take the L because Taiwan wanted NATO membership SMH)


Quote (Santara @ May 24 2023 08:41pm)
You're pretending to "know" what I believe? Even while I have consistently drawn no distinction between Wagnerites and other orcs? *Guffaw*


Soledar and Bakhmut were razed to the ground by orcs with shovels is what you seem to believe

Guffaw

This post was edited by Djunior on May 24 2023 02:16pm
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May 24 2023 02:42pm
Quote (Djunior @ 24 May 2023 22:15)
Ukrainian losses are higher, check Soledar and Bakhmut footage and imagine Ukrainian defenders in those buildings being pulverized. You should check the list of Ukrainian units that were fighting there and all took severe losses, it's so bad that Ukraine keeps the numbers secret.
And you are completely clueless regarding NATO expansion and that countries like Russia should shut up and let NATO do what they please when both sides have been adversaries for 8 decades.
NATO should try Taiwan next so drones like you can spam this section for years to come (China should just take the L because Taiwan wanted NATO membership SMH)
Soledar and Bakhmut were razed to the ground by orcs with shovels is what you seem to believe
Guffaw


Cool story but it sounds like i'm not here to "imagine" [your thoughts] ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bakhmut
NATO estimate:
One-fifth of the number of Russian casualties

Which is not surprising:

Some observers likened Russian tactics to Soviet-style human wave attacks, repeatedly assaulting Ukrainian positions with waves of infantry. Some Ukrainian soldiers have alleged that Wagner used its recruited ex-convicts as first wave "human bait" to reveal Ukrainian positions, with those refusing to advance being threatened with "execution" by firing squads or barrier troops and those who were wounded in the assaults were usually not rescued.

Nothing new. #3months

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 24 2023 02:59pm
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May 24 2023 02:48pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 24 2023 03:15pm)
Soledar and Bakhmut were razed to the ground by orcs with shovels is what you seem to believe

Guffaw


I'm not responsible for the lies you tell yourself.
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#27949
May 24 2023 03:36pm
"my story about the beginning of the war in Donbas. "

https://twitter.com/13serhi/status/1661436986995998731

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titushky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

"This is exactly what Russian propaganda refers to when it talks about a "coup" and non-recognition of the Ukrainian government. But propagandists are silent about more than 300 votes (constitutional majority) of the active and recognized parliament. "
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#27950
May 24 2023 04:00pm
Ok this one is a killer:

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