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Quote (Santara @ May 24 2023 06:31pm)
A so-called "fact" that was presented:

Supposedly, 30,000 Wagnerites overwhelmed 100,000 Ukrainians. (They took 180,000 casualties doing so, and they actually outnumbered the defenders.)


I dont understand this. what do you mean by 100K and 180K? who is using those numbers ? those numbers on either side sound wrong. Do you have any plausibly numbers?

finally, from an indian broadcaster last week ( i understand anything not from western media will be censored so i wont post ): "its day 448 of the Russian invasion, by now alot of things are quite clear: Russia will not back down, Ukraine will not surrender, the West will not seek peace".

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 24 May 2023 19:31)


And if it's not US (or Europe) that will take parts in industry or agriculture i guess it will be an evil corrupt (ukrainian, not russian ?) oligarch
In anway you will find something negative to say about Ukraine or this war (/e and so one: " butt butt why we decided to give assistance to ukraine !?" )
Jesus.

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Quote (Santara @ May 24 2023 07:31pm)
A so-called "fact" that was presented:

Supposedly, 30,000 Wagnerites overwhelmed 100,000 Ukrainians. (They took 180,000 casualties doing so, and they actually outnumbered the defenders.)


Nice cherry picked snipped

It was immediately mentioned that the regular Russian army provided support with missiles / artillery / aircraft and so on, the Wagners did the storming.

Look at the frikking ruins of Bakhmut, what do you not understand, lol
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Quote (Djunior @ 24 May 2023 19:42)
Nice cherry picked snipped
It was immediately mentioned that the regular Russian army provided support with missiles / artillery / aircraft and so on, the Wagners did the storming.
Look at the frikking ruins of Bakhmut, what do you not understand, lol


So Russia is providing weapons to an international terrorist group to destroy a foreign sovereign country's town without any other reason than it wanted to join a defensive alliance ?
what do you not understand, lol

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Quote (ferdia @ May 24 2023 05:15pm)
^meanwhile

we are not saying that the west is bad and russia is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
we are not saying that the west is bad and china is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
this can also be applied in South Africa, Israel, the middle east or in Asia (i.e. anywhere).

there is a narrative being told in storytime mode in alot of western countries right now, and it is saying that someone is the enemy. that is not necessarily true, but it will be true if governments continue to use that narrative to make it true.

I agree with your sentiment re: Wagner Group, but its not hard to point to double standards where alot of countries, east and west, do bad things. YOU might say yes but that happened years ago, but my response to that is 2000 years is really not a long time in human evolution, so, unfortunately, the horrors of 100 years ago can still repeat themselves yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Countries are not bad, they just all have bad people, bad moral compass and make bad decisions.

You cant' say that the US has more bad people because it has more people (as a %) in prison, You cant' say that Northern Ireland has less bad people because it has less people (as a %) in prison, they have underlying problems, just like China and Russia have underlying problems.

Political ideology, Culture and Type of Government does not dictate who is right or wrong, nor does it say which is the better country. None of these thing make one country better then the other, it makes them different.
In terms of technology, all advanced countries are experimenting with new technology. AI is here and it is both wondrous and terrifying. I watched that video and I was both surprised, shocked horrified scared of the unknown etc, but that technology, and technology like that is being used in the west as well.

The world is changing and there are going to be major shifts in how things are done over the next few decades. In terms of the conflict in Ukraine I keep coming back to the simple notion, how will this war end, and in no scenario do I see a win for Ukraine, unless its won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile. So you can keep on railing against Russia and China but this conflict is the catalyst for sending the world down a path that no sane person should ever want.


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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 07:42pm)
And if it's not US (or Europe) that will take parts in industry or agriculture i guess it will be an evil corrupt (ukrainian, not russian ?) oligarch
In anway you will find something negative to say about Ukraine or this war (/e and so one: " butt butt why we decided to give assistance to ukraine !?" )
Jesus.


triggered much?

just proves another point people like me have been making the entire time

its not about the freedom of ukraine, its about who can get the entire cake and eat it too

the result for the country will be the same no matter who does it, endless debt slavery, resources exploited for peanuts and more poverty
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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 07:45pm)
So Russia is providing weapons to an international terrorist groupe to destroy a foreign without any other reason than it wanted to join a defensive alliance ?
what do you not understand, lol


NATO and Russia are adversaries since WW2 ended

NATO task was to counter the USSR and NATO decided to keep going after the USSR dissolved (without a shot fired and better relations expected)

WTF do YOU not understand? The word adversaries?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 24 2023 02:48pm)
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Quote (Djunior @ May 24 2023 12:49pm)
NATO and Russia are adversaries since WW2 ended

NATO task was to counter the USSR and NATO decided to keep going after the USSR dissolved (without a shot fired and better relations expected)

WTF do YOU not understand? The word adversaries?


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Quote (RedFromWinter @ May 24 2023 07:53pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBMeMrPuQyU


Nice cartoon

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