d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev1278927902791279227935001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 56,308
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 575,328.61
May 24 2023 10:15am


we are not saying that the west is bad and russia is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
we are not saying that the west is bad and china is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
this can also be applied in South Africa, Israel, the middle east or in Asia (i.e. anywhere).

there is a narrative being told in storytime mode in alot of western countries right now, and it is saying that someone is the enemy. that is not necessarily true, but it will be true if governments continue to use that narrative to make it true.

I agree with your sentiment re: Wagner Group, but its not hard to point to double standards where alot of countries, east and west, do bad things. YOU might say yes but that happened years ago, but my response to that is 2000 years is really not a long time in human evolution, so, unfortunately, the horrors of 100 years ago can still repeat themselves yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Countries are not bad, they just all have bad people, bad moral compass and make bad decisions.

You cant' say that the US has more bad people because it has more people (as a %) in prison, You cant' say that Northern Ireland has less bad people because it has less people (as a %) in prison, they have underlying problems, just like China and Russia have underlying problems.

Political ideology, Culture and Type of Government does not dictate who is right or wrong, nor does it say which is the better country. None of these thing make one country better then the other, it makes them different.
In terms of technology, all advanced countries are experimenting with new technology. AI is here and it is both wondrous and terrifying. I watched that video and I was both surprised, shocked horrified scared of the unknown etc, but that technology, and technology like that is being used in the west as well.

The world is changing and there are going to be major shifts in how things are done over the next few decades. In terms of the conflict in Ukraine I keep coming back to the simple notion, how will this war end, and in no scenario do I see a win for Ukraine, unless its won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile. So you can keep on railing against Russia and China but this conflict is the catalyst for sending the world down a path that no sane person should ever want.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 24 2023 10:15am
Member
Posts: 39,650
Joined: Nov 16 2005
Gold: 13.37
May 24 2023 10:23am
Quote (Malopox @ 24 May 2023 19:06)
I heard Russians only use top notch villeroy & boch porcelain toilets for their hypersonic missiles.


No wonder they ran of it

This post was edited by Norlander on May 24 2023 10:27am
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 24 2023 10:26am
Quote (ferdia @ 24 May 2023 18:15)
^meanwhile
we are not saying that the west is bad and russia is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
we are not saying that the west is bad and china is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
this can also be applied in South Africa, Israel, the middle east or in Asia (i.e. anywhere).


Y i know this one; victimizing...
Maybe you can add some silly self-fuck comment about french people ( like the others posters before) , so it will be fully okay: US Bad, West Bad, Democracy Fake, Both sides, Why not being just rational ? Oh look 30 years ago !

But buttt... Racist ??!! China, Russia, not racist btw... ^_^
Member
Posts: 2,664
Joined: Dec 4 2011
Gold: 6.66
May 24 2023 10:27am
Quote (ferdia @ May 24 2023 07:15pm)
^meanwhile

we are not saying that the west is bad and russia is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
we are not saying that the west is bad and china is good, we are saying all racism is bad.
this can also be applied in South Africa, Israel, the middle east or in Asia (i.e. anywhere).

there is a narrative being told in storytime mode in alot of western countries right now, and it is saying that someone is the enemy. that is not necessarily true, but it will be true if governments continue to use that narrative to make it true.

I agree with your sentiment re: Wagner Group, but its not hard to point to double standards where alot of countries, east and west, do bad things. YOU might say yes but that happened years ago, but my response to that is 2000 years is really not a long time in human evolution, so, unfortunately, the horrors of 100 years ago can still repeat themselves yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Countries are not bad, they just all have bad people, bad moral compass and make bad decisions.

You cant' say that the US has more bad people because it has more people (as a %) in prison, You cant' say that Northern Ireland has less bad people because it has less people (as a %) in prison, they have underlying problems, just like China and Russia have underlying problems.

Political ideology, Culture and Type of Government does not dictate who is right or wrong, nor does it say which is the better country. None of these thing make one country better then the other, it makes them different.
In terms of technology, all advanced countries are experimenting with new technology. AI is here and it is both wondrous and terrifying. I watched that video and I was both surprised, shocked horrified scared of the unknown etc, but that technology, and technology like that is being used in the west as well.

The world is changing and there are going to be major shifts in how things are done over the next few decades. In terms of the conflict in Ukraine I keep coming back to the simple notion, how will this war end, and in no scenario do I see a win for Ukraine, unless its won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile. So you can keep on railing against Russia and China but this conflict is the catalyst for sending the world down a path that no sane person should ever want.


What does then? Bear with me when im using provocative rhetoric, but what kind of degenerate moral relativist cop-out is that? Of course we are able to judge and discern between right and wrong. I personally believe the West is currently the best place in terms of moral philosophy, and yes, its a thought-out subject for me and i considered my biases. all thanks to our prosperity and WW2 trauma which eventuallt led us to think about human rights. The vast majority of parameters with which we can assess how good life is are in favour of the West. What makes us not be able to comment on political ideology.
Member
Posts: 56,308
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 575,328.61
May 24 2023 10:28am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 05:26pm)
Y i know this one; victimizing...
Maybe you can add some silly self-fuck comment about french people ( like the others posters before) , so it will be fully okay: US Bad, West Bad, Democracy Fake, Both sides, Why not being just rational ? Oh look 30 years ago !

But buttt... Racist ??!! China, Russia, not racist btw... ^_^


I think you missed the point

I say people are racist
you say countries are racist

Quote (Neptunus @ May 24 2023 05:27pm)
What does then? Bear with me when im using provocative rhetoric, but what kind of degenerate moral relativist cop-out is that? Of course we are able to judge and discern between right and wrong. I personally believe the West is currently the best place in terms of moral philosophy, and yes, its a thought-out subject for me and i considered my biases. all thanks to our prosperity and WW2 trauma which eventuallt led us to think about human rights. The vast majority of parameters with which we can assess how good life is are in favour of the West. What makes us not be able to comment on political ideology.


Its not a competition unless you make it one, thats my point. And to expand on that, competition in this context is leading to direct conflict.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 24 2023 10:33am
Member
Posts: 15,939
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
May 24 2023 10:45am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 05:50pm)
Unfortunately this is a regular twitter link. For sure Ruscists will not appreciate to face the hurting truth about the russian army.

Let's proceed next point:

Since few decades, especially due press & associations freedom, the west limited this kind of actions, today the Wagner (which IS a part of Russian army) terrorist group...

... Is accused of using rape and mass-murder to control an African gold mining town
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-wagner-group-central-african-republic-bambari-massacre-rape-mass-murder/

This is not really the first time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%AFgbado_massacre

That's it. Ukraine bad, USA bad, West bad right ?

Very bad WEST BAD !

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/education/article/3221171/security-cameras-classrooms-hong-kong-lawmakers-school-principals-express-concerns-over-police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLsHI8aV0g


Read it again:

THE WEST IS BAD ! RUSSIA GOOD ! CHINA GOOD ! IRAN NORTH KOREA REAL LEADERS, WHY BEING A MORALIST ?


You should stop this trash posting WTF is wrong with you

Seriously
Member
Posts: 15,939
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
May 24 2023 10:51am
Quote (Santara @ May 24 2023 01:00am)
Guffaw.


Some facts that were presented:

Ukraine's Bakhmut losses are huge (lists of Ukrainian units that fought in Bakhmut are available)
Russia isn't running out of missiles (Russia running out of missiles is being claimed since April 2022)
Sanctions did not cripple Russia and in fact they're pumping out guns and ammo 24/7

You: Guffaw

Poor effort pal
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
May 24 2023 10:53am
Quote (Djunior @ 24 May 2023 18:45)
You should stop this trash posting WTF is wrong with you

Seriously


look, i'm Shrodinger prepared for the special operation (prepared and not prepared at the same time). #3 months. "Shitposter Dishonest Tool Drone" etc...


Quote (ferdia @ 24 May 2023 18:28)
I think you missed the point
I say people are racist
you say countries are racist
Its not a competition unless you make it one, thats my point. And to expand on that, competition in this context is leading to direct conflict.


Who is racist exactly ?

Member
Posts: 56,308
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 575,328.61
May 24 2023 10:54am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 05:53pm)
look, i'm Shrodinger prepared for the special operation (prepared and not prepared at the same time). #3 months. "Shitposter Dishonest Tool Drone" etc...




Who is racist exactly ?


people, not countries.
Member
Posts: 15,939
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
May 24 2023 10:59am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 24 2023 06:53pm)
look, i'm Shrodinger prepared for the special operation (prepared and not prepared at the same time). #3 months. "Shitposter Dishonest Tool Drone" etc...


Peak dishonesty

Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1278927902791279227935001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll