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May 23 2023 02:44pm
Quote (Malopox @ 24 May 2023 04:20)
Out of curiosity, how does ^meanwhile get away with trolling 24/7, personal attacks and flaming all while posting literally gore video content?



Can anybody enlighten me here.


because some people still think FE... :lol:
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May 23 2023 02:45pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 23 May 2023 22:41)
Both sides are relying on mostly unguided 'dumb' artillery. The howitzers, & the half a dozen other arty systems we've sent over are comparable what Russia is using. You statement is not support by reality.


3 days ago:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/04/artillery-paradox-how-ukraine-does-more-damage-with-fewer-rounds-than-russia/
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May 23 2023 02:51pm
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Citing same sources for his numbers of casualties as the ones that have been saying that has Russia is out of ammo and is losing way more soldiers since the beginning of the war.

Garbage in, garbage out.
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May 23 2023 02:53pm
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Citing same sources for his numbers of casualties as the ones that have been saying that has Russia is out of ammo and is losing way more soldiers since the beginning of the war.

Garbage in, garbage out.


Awesome arguments. How can you explain that Russia has suffered much higher casualties ?
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May 23 2023 02:57pm
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Awesome arguments. How can you explain that Russia has suffered much higher casualties ?


That's the point I'm making, there is no evidence for that aside from the same people that have always framed whatever Russia is doing as a loss.

His argument is basically "yeah even though Russians fire 6-9x more artillery, figures of causalities given to us from the Pentagon and the UK say Russia losses at1.8:1 (which is not verifiable, and it's the whole premise of his argument). Oh and Ukrainians are smarter!"

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May 23 2023 03:02pm
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Keypoint imo:
While Russia has stuck mainly to Soviet doctrine of massed area fires, Ukraine uses artillery fire as a long-range sniper weapon to pick off individual targets.
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May 23 2023 03:04pm
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That's the point I'm making, there is no evidence for that aside from the same people that have always framed whatever Russia is doing as a loss.

His argument is basically "yeah even though Russians fire 6-9x more artillery, figures of causalities given to us from the Pentagon and the UK say Russia losses at1.8:1 (which is not verifiable, and it's the whole premise of his argument). Oh and Ukrainians are smarter!"


Ok so you are claiming that since the begining of the war Ukraine suffered more casualties...
- Despite Russian army being technically the attacker
- Despite the proof of their incompetence
- Despite all west intelligence and training provided
- Despite tons of military experts saying otherwise

That's what you are saying ? Seriously ? What will be your next move ? Posting a Douglas MacGregor video ?

I will not lose time with you on this today, the discussion is over.
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May 23 2023 03:06pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 24 May 2023 04:57)
That's the point I'm making, there is no evidence for that aside from the same people that have always framed whatever Russia is doing as a loss.

His argument is basically "yeah even though Russians fire 6-9x more artillery, figures of causalities given to us from the Pentagon and the UK say Russia losses at1.8:1 (which is not verifiable, and it's the whole premise of his argument). Oh and Ukrainians are smarter!"


If the Ukrainians are that smart they wouldn't have gotten themselves into a war.
I tell you who is smart

kazakhstan

They hate Russians to the core, speak their language but give the Russians enough "face" . Now that the time has come since Russian is sanctioned by almost the entire West and the Russians give a green light to their country and now the Chinese are building infrastructure
so their land locked country can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
And they are rather friendly to the United States and the West.


Kazakhstan is a member of the United Nations, Collective Security Treaty Organization, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (which it chaired in 2010), North Atlantic Cooperation Council, Commonwealth of Independent States, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, and NATO's Partnership for Peace program.

This is call Smart
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May 23 2023 03:11pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 23 May 2023 22:41)
Both sides are relying on mostly unguided 'dumb' artillery. The howitzers, & the half a dozen other arty systems we've sent over are comparable what Russia is using. You statement is not support by reality.


Name of the game is JDAM / Glide bombs it seems.

They are launched from planes and are able to perform precision strikes effectively and most importantly they are dirt cheap. This makes intercepting them not only challenging, but also very cost inefficient.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/26/russia-ramps-up-use-of-glide-bombs-ahead-of-ukraine-counteroffensive-a80947
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May 23 2023 03:13pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 23 2023 05:04pm)
Ok so you are claiming that since the begining of the war Ukraine suffered more casualties...
- Despite Russian army being technically the attacker
- Despite the proof of their incompetence
- Despite all west intelligence and training provided
- Despite tons of military experts saying otherwise

That's what you are saying ? Seriously ? What will be your next move ? Posting a Douglas MacGregor video ?

I will not lose time with you on this today, the discussion is over.


Yes.

Propagandists masquerading as authoritative figures on what's going on are just that.

80% of losses are due to artillery fire. Russia has 7:1 advantage per your own propagandist source.

Now do the math, in what universe would the side that fires 7x more would somehow be losing 2x the personnel?
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