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Quote (RedFromWinter @ 23 May 2023 13:54)
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IMO Belgorod thing doesn't really make sense at all.

"Let's go on an excursion and capture a village or two fully knowing there will be an immediate response with most if not all of us dying"


To me it makes more sense that it was some false flag. Russian authorities still need to 'remind' the people that there is an external threat to justify the war, possible further mobilizations, etc.

The other plausible scenario is it's diversion by Ukrainians looking to take off focus from losing Bakhmut. Framing it as some domestic Russian legion is good propaganda to try and create some noise that Russians are discontent and are willing to take up arms against their own armed forces (which is utter nonsense honestly)

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IMO Belgorod thing doesn't really make sense at all.

"Let's go on an excursion and capture a village or two fully knowing there will be an immediate response with most if not all of us dying"


To me it makes more sense that it was some false flag. Russian authorities still need to 'remind' the people that there is an external threat to justify the war, possible further mobilizations, etc.

The other plausible scenario is it's diversion by Ukrainians looking to take off focus from losing Bakhmut. Framing it as some domestic Russian legion is good propaganda to try and create some noise that Russians are discontent and are willing to take up arms against their own armed forces (which is utter nonsense honestly)


some people couldn't cope, they have create imaginary situations to feel alive.
Just like the Ghost of Kyiv........
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May 23 2023 08:38am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 23 May 2023 15:55)
IMO Belgorod thing doesn't really make sense at all.

"Let's go on an excursion and capture a village or two fully knowing there will be an immediate response with most if not all of us dying"


To me it makes more sense that it was some false flag. Russian authorities still need to 'remind' the people that there is an external threat to justify the war, possible further mobilizations, etc.

The other plausible scenario is it's diversion by Ukrainians looking to take off focus from losing Bakhmut. Framing it as some domestic Russian legion is good propaganda to try and create some noise that Russians are discontent and are willing to take up arms against their own armed forces (which is utter nonsense honestly)


Just like not all Germans supported Hitler, not all Russians support Putin/war.
Not all want their country to be aggressive villain, not all want their brothers and sons to be sent to war to attack other countries.
If you are about to get sent to war and die, I would like to die on the moral, right side :)
In fact one could say that Putin and KGB occupies all nations that live in Russia, and those Russians who fight against Putin are real Russian patriots.
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May 23 2023 08:41am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 23 2023 02:55pm)
IMO Belgorod thing doesn't really make sense at all.

"Let's go on an excursion and capture a village or two fully knowing there will be an immediate response with most if not all of us dying"


To me it makes more sense that it was some false flag. Russian authorities still need to 'remind' the people that there is an external threat to justify the war, possible further mobilizations, etc.

The other plausible scenario is it's diversion by Ukrainians looking to take off focus from losing Bakhmut. Framing it as some domestic Russian legion is good propaganda to try and create some noise that Russians are discontent and are willing to take up arms against their own armed forces (which is utter nonsense honestly)


This was a group of Russians (two actually) inside Russia supported by Ukraine. Is it unorthodox? Absolutely.
Has it had an impact. Yes. Check the available evidence for yourself.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 23 2023 03:24pm)
some people couldn't cope, they have create imaginary situations to feel alive.
Just like the Ghost of Kyiv........


There are literal videos of Russian civilians evacuating Belgorod. Nothing imaginary about it. Weird post.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ May 23 2023 10:55am)
IMO Belgorod thing doesn't really make sense at all.

"Let's go on an excursion and capture a village or two fully knowing there will be an immediate response with most if not all of us dying"


To me it makes more sense that it was some false flag. Russian authorities still need to 'remind' the people that there is an external threat to justify the war, possible further mobilizations, etc.

The other plausible scenario is it's diversion by Ukrainians looking to take off focus from losing Bakhmut. Framing it as some domestic Russian legion is good propaganda to try and create some noise that Russians are discontent and are willing to take up arms against their own armed forces (which is utter nonsense honestly)


The Russians seem to be downplaying it quite a bit, if the intent was a false flag I would think they would hype up any damage or loss of life more than they have

Weird move for Ukraine as well though, sure it takes the focus off Bahkmut but they didn't need to invade Russia to do that, and it isn't a great look considering longer range weapons have been discussed on the condition they won't be used against Russian territory, which seems less believable now.
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May 23 2023 08:49am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 23 May 2023 13:35)
Even if the numbers are untrustworthy, RU is doing terrible. Their great war machine nation being stalled out by proxy war tactics. Imagine they have to war a real foe head on, not the hill billy ghetto gains next door. Hoping smarter minds prevail and negotiating can begin. How many Wagner prisoners are there to kill off?


Yes the Russians are doing terrible, hovewer we must say that nato is doing equally bad job.
Yearly nato ammunition production is used in one month of war in Ukraine.
There is no military capability in nato it seems. We only got ammo for like couple months of war and cannot produce more.
One year of Ukraine war and nothing happened, instead of rebuilding production we are likely to surrender Ukraine in about half year because we cant give them ammo because we dont have them.
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May 23 2023 08:54am
Quote (ferdia @ May 23 2023 06:46am)
"their great war machine nation" sir, there is only 1 great war machine nation on this planet, and its not Russia.


the USA is a great war machine, and a tech giant, and a leading farming nation, with top notch manufacturing, and the top economy. with the best navy, army, air power, and best weapons.

many nations have tried to copy us, but they skip the foundation. WW2 had russia thinking they could just invest in weapons without the economy to back it. the cold war proved otherwise. and putin didnt learn. "but but but our coal and oil". BAHAHAHA.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 23 May 2023 16:41)
There are literal videos of Russian civilians evacuating Belgorod. Nothing imaginary about it. Weird post.


They put cameras everywhere in schools and i hate freedom ! ^_^

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This was a group of Russians (two actually) inside Russia supported by Ukraine. Is it unorthodox? Absolutely.
Has it had an impact. Yes. Check the available evidence for yourself.

There are literal videos of Russian civilians evacuating Belgorod. Nothing imaginary about it. Weird post.


What exactly was the impact? And what is civilians evacuating proof of exactly?

I view the world and try to apply some sort of logic to events I see around me. What was gained here exactly? If this was a 'real' attack by Russians with help from Ukraine, natural question is why would normal people take actions that have close to 100% probability of getting themselves killed for little to no gain.

When your government was bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya how many brits went on suicide missions against their own government? Like none? Apply the same logical lens here.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 23 2023 08:57am
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