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Mar 25 2022 10:37am
Quote (ferdia @ 25 Mar 2022 17:31)
attempts to maintaining sovereign security should not be at the expense of another countries security concerns. The chinese said that about this conflict. Ehmm, what you have quoted is not the same thing as justifying the targeting of civilian structures.


Maybe you didn't see it, but that's exactly what lebanon was saying:

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Russia has to shell hospitals and residential areas in Ukraine to... defend itself?!

Russia neutralizing Ukraine as a hostile state and keeping it from joining an encirclement block is defense, yes. The same can not be said for USA and Iraq/Libya/Syria/etc.

That's more than just a tacit approval of the targetting of civilians. By his logic, even an outright genocide or a nuclear first strike against Ukraine would be justified as long as it serves Russia's security interests.
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Mar 25 2022 10:39am
And another one

https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-russian-missiles-failing-to-launch-explode-us-officials-2022-3?r=US&IR=T

The retreat is the result of both Ukrainian resistance and corrupted management of russian military equipment.
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Im just going to double post.

/e thx for above! (break between my posts) however I dont think that link is a good story noting there are no sources to confirm its validity (but i really dont care if its true or not and would not be surprised in either event).

This is from a site probably banned in your country. im just putting it here for context:

"One of the most important practical outcomes of the North Atlantic alliance's unprecedented meeting is that NATO plans to fortify its eastern flank. In addition to the 40,000 troops now stationed in Eastern Europe, the US-led bloc plans to deploy additional battlegroups to Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia. Meanwhile, NATO reacted to Vladimir Zelensky's request to deploy tanks and aircraft to Ukraine with a restrained refusal. Western countries are continuing to put pressure on Moscow with additional sanctions and are now proposing to exclude Russia from global discussion platforms. US President Joe Biden came up with the idea to exclude Russia from the G20, Izvestia writes.

The statement by Biden, which was published by the White House after the NATO summit, said that the members of the US-led Western military bloc intend to provide additional equipment, including air defense systems. Meanwhile, NATO members did not respond to Zelensky’s request to transfer weapons to Ukraine. "Initially, it was not a Russian-Ukrainian conflict, but a confrontation between Russia and the West," Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council Andrey Kortunov told Izvestia, explaining the alliance’s restraint towards Ukraine. "There are certain limits that apply to everyone. Everyone understands that NATO should not enter into a direct confrontation with Moscow. Military assistance is welcome, but participation in an armed conflict is already considered unacceptable," he noted.

According to Russian politicians, the Russian-Ukrainian conflict is beneficial for the United States. "It is fundamentally important for the United States to use the Ukrainian card to fight against Russia," First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Dmitry Novikov told Izvestia. "The situation is very favorable for the United States when they successfully pitted two countries against each other that were the largest republics of the USSR." That said, Novikov believes that the Russian military operation in Ukraine is "a forced but necessary measure."

I am merely providing it here for context. Only by listening to all sides can one appreciate all views.

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If Russia give up and end up in closely cooperating with EU i seriously doubt this will be such a win for US.
Putin era comes at ends and Russia would step forward, again, like in 90's, to the west.

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Mar 25 2022 10:43am
edit.

Yes agreed



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elaborate please if you can, I dont understand what you are trying to say. a quick comment from me: I believe the further integration? for want of a better word, between nato members, and western leaders, and geopolitical isolation of Russia that we are seeing, is already such a win for us (or say, The US) (or say, The West) (or say, Nato).


remove your quote read my post above again, or simply read: Two US.


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remove your quote read my post above again, or simply read: Two US.


yes and done, see above.

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yes and done, see above.


United states of America, And United states of Eurasia. That what i would like to see in the next years, really, and the chances it happen are real.

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To get back on topic. See a few sources reporting that Ukraine has taken some towns east of Kiev. Another important thing to watch for is how China is responding. This was published by Reuters this morning.

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China’s state-run Sinopec Group has suspended talks for a major petrochemical investment and a gas marketing venture in Russia, sources told Reuters, heeding a government call for caution as sanctions mount over the invasion of Ukraine.


https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-china-russia/exclusive-chinas-sinopec-pauses-russia-projects-beijing-wary-of-sanctions-sources-idUSKCN2LM18E

It's possible that under mounting pressure as well less support in the east, Russia is looking to scale back their asks. Hard to see how everything turns out but IMO, at this point regime change in Ukraine is increasingly unlikely, a full out assault on Kiev increasingly unlikely. I'd think their weighing the costs (both lives and resources) to continue to mount an offensive and maybe are deciding to focus more on the south east.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 25 2022 04:52pm)
To get back on topic. See a few sources reporting that Ukraine has taken some towns east of Kiev. Another important thing to watch for is how China is responding. This was published by Reuters this morning.



https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-china-russia/exclusive-chinas-sinopec-pauses-russia-projects-beijing-wary-of-sanctions-sources-idUSKCN2LM18E

It's possible that under mounting pressure as well less support in the east, Russia is looking to scale back their asks. Hard to see how everything turns out but IMO, at this point regime change in Ukraine is increasingly unlikely, a full out assault on Kiev increasingly unlikely. I'd think their weighing the costs (both lives and resources) to continue to mount an offensive and maybe are deciding to focus more on the south east.


agree with all that.
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