We've sailed past how bad the Cuban crises was. Back then the Soviets turned back and went home and our grand fathers all breathed a sigh of relief. Today, Ukraine being their version of Cuba, we instead area sailing full steam ahead with every few months announcing another round of escalations, that will push Russia to actually feel like the only way to win is to actually go full existential war.

You are suggesting that only Russia should be able to act in its own interest. That is not realistic.
Why is there equally no public voices in Russia calling for peace?

The easy option for the those opposed to Russia would be to ostracize them and ensure Russia is a pariah state ad infinitum. The difficult and probably more likely outcome is eventually they have to negotiate a peace that also incorporates what the Kremlin wants.

Currently there is no definitive military outcome, and so that is far from close.

Not to mention the generational and continual insurgency the RF will experience even after any kind of ceasefire; This whole debacle will usher in the fragmentation of the RF.
They are already essentially a Chinese vassal at this point.
If they lose militarily in Ukraine it is curtains for Vlad and the Russian federation and hello power vacuum civil war viz. Iraq post Saddam.

We've been over a few times, and you've proven to have a remarkably thick skull. We are the ones sending hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid, to a place no where near our shores, on their border to kill Russians, not the other way around. We're allowed to topple Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and install our leaders there but Russia shouldn't have any say on it's immediate neighbor. Make it make sense.

You're so mad right now, lol

What terrible things are you talking about? Post links/quotes

And I'm not even Russian, how is this gonna "jump back onto my face"? What do you even mean by that? Your broken English bugging you again?

Because this is the never a better time for the United States to get rid of a Nuclear power that proves to be a "non conventional" military threat once and for all.
And if it needs to be Ukraine and her people will be the best chess piece for a proxy war once and for all since the collapse of Warsaw pact and Soviet Union.

If they get a win on this, no one will be able to able to go against them anymore, it will be a complete and utter victory. G7 will be laughing and all 3rd World developing countries will just be that extraction commodity that they desire.
They will still get "freedom" and "democracy" , but their freedom and democracy will depend on who the big guy in the West support and choose so that their interest , profit , military and economical hegemony can last a few hundred years more.

The Whataboutsim comment coming soon.

Hopefully there will be a civil war in the US so the rest of the world can recover for a little while

Indian PM Modi says he will do everything he can to help Ukraine
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230520_34/

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Hiroshima, Japan.
Modi told Zelenskyy that the war in Ukraine has had multiple impacts on the world, but he said the effects have not only been economic and political. The prime minister said that the impacts on humanity and humanitarian values are the ones that concern him.
Modi assured Zelenskyy that he and his country will do everything they can to help Ukraine and to provide solutions for Ukraine's difficulties.
It was the first time that the two leaders had met in person, since Russia's invasion of Ukraine began in February of last year.

Who know maybe Indians have some moral value ...



Can't be seriously compared with Ukraine; so close to EU: going for full democracy and freedom values while also taking the path to Union etc... It has absolutely no equivalent with countries in the quote above.

This is not a proxy war, it goes beyond this very obtuse point of view, you are out of touch. Or maybe it's just an hypocrite attempt to build a narrative ?

Cuban Crisis started with US placing literal nukes in Turkey, right on the border with USSR. Soviets responded by placing nukes in Cuba, which was completely legal and nothing can be done about it. It was resolved by agreeing to remove nukes from Turkey and Italy- in exchange Soviets removed nukes from Cuba.


https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/cuban-missile-crisis



https://harpers.org/archive/2023/06/why-are-we-in-ukraine/



This post was edited by Malopox on May 21 2023 08:00am

You don't need to be Russian to be a ruscist, you can be from Hungary as example, doesn't change anything: Ruscism is just some kind of an ideology.