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May 21 2023 04:32am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 May 2023 11:33)
Support for this war is waning everywhere, the key question is at which pace. If, for example, public support went from 72% to 69% over the span of 4 months, thzat would be largely irrelevant. If it went from 72% to 55% over the same timespan, it would be alarming.

Anyway, from what I can tell, the Poles are pretty gung-ho about fighting and resisting Russia. There's probably no place in all of Europe that's more anti-Russia than Poland. So while it could well be true that support for Ukraine is waning even in Poland, I'm very confident that they'd be among the last ones to give up on this war.


There are two different factors, of course we are going to keep assisting Ukraine, hovewer there is another issue.
We have given them our older tanks, older planes, some artillery.
It actually takes time to replenish it in polish army.
So we kind of cannot give them much more without hurting our own army...
Its possible that both sides wont be able to attack any more, as attacking requires much resources.
In such situation it might be a good idea to negotiate peace, even if that means Russian actually get new territories when compared to pre-war.
It would be better to force Russians completely out of Ukraine, but what can we do? :(
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May 21 2023 04:34am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 21 2023 07:25am)
There is a saying in Mandarin.

During a war , the one that supports and voice out most for you without putting boots on the ground for you, will be your worst enemy when the war ends.


Good rule of thumb!
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May 21 2023 05:02am
Quote (Ironfister @ 21 May 2023 11:57)
. Few pages ago there was a letter from Russian PM from 2008 that NATO is cold-war relict and is not needed for security..


Russian Prime Minister? Which letter?

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May 21 2023 06:24am
Quote (Ironfister @ May 21 2023 10:51am)
Of course Im pro-nato, NATO is a guard of the free western world.
I dont understand how can you live in the west and be a Russia fan. Dont you understand that they are our enemy who wants to enslave us?

Ukrainian best troops? How do you know it were best troops? Its just your imagination or Russian propaganda. Besides most of the Ukrainian troops retreated, when they couldnt effectively defend the ruins any longer.

What we dont exactly know is what was the rate of the meatgrinder.
5 attackers for 1 defender? 7:1? 3:1?
Obviously when one defends, you are in favor and loose less than attacking.

The mercenaries and prisoners, will Russia get more? They were advertising like hell for past year, and used all they could get on bakhmut meatgrinder.


There were a lot of Ukrainian elite forces active in and around Bakhmut.

The so called counterattacks on the Northern and Southern flanks were apparently distractions to ease pressure on the Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut (elite Azov battalion attacked on the Southern flank)

This post was edited by Djunior on May 21 2023 06:50am
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May 21 2023 07:08am
So F16's being transferred over may seem like reality.

Escalation after escalation. It's as if the collective western neocons are hell bent on getting Ukraine nuked by the end of this.
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May 21 2023 07:11am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 21 2023 02:08pm)
So F16's being transferred over may seem like reality.

Escalation after escalation. It's as if the collective western neocons are hell bent on getting Ukraine nuked by the end of this.


As if anyone believes Russia has anything to gain from using a nuke.
Also the irony of Russia bringing its full military to bare, and then those crying about Ukraine getting a similar level of tech.

If you fuck about, you find out comrade.
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May 21 2023 07:18am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 21 May 2023 21:08)
So F16's being transferred over may seem like reality.

Escalation after escalation. It's as if the collective western neocons are hell bent on getting Ukraine nuked by the end of this.


Yup.....the Russians got their wish. Testing ground for proper US made hardware and Russian missiles. Everyone is watching with Great Interest especially Taiwan. They ordered 16 birds but not yet delivered.

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May 21 2023 07:27am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ May 21 2023 09:11am)
As if anyone believes Russia has anything to gain from using a nuke.
Also the irony of Russia bringing its full military to bare, and then those crying about Ukraine getting a similar level of tech.

If you fuck about, you find out comrade.


What they would gain is the west at that point would get the message that further escalation would possibly lead to western capitals being subsequent targets.

We spent 40-50 years during the cold war fighting proxy wars and never came as close to a nuclear war as we have in the last year or so.

Why is there literally no public voices in the west calling for peace? To me that's the most potent indicator of what we're truly after with this conflict.
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May 21 2023 07:31am
Quote (Djunior @ 21 May 2023 09:05)
https://i.imgur.com/uWJwpmC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W2YhjuE.jpg
This why you and ^Meanwhile are so mad right now?


Sorry for destroying your copium but... Bakhmut is more a defeat for Russia which spent disastrous ressources to please Putin than anything else.
Ruscism makes you saying terrible things, noticed the whole page btw let's hope it will not jump back onto your face in few days or weeks. :lol:

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Quote (ofthevoid @ 21 May 2023 21:27)
What they would gain is the west at that point would get the message that further escalation would possibly lead to western capitals being subsequent targets.

We spent 40-50 years during the cold war fighting proxy wars and never came as close to a nuclear war as we have in the last year or so.

Why is there literally no public voices in the west calling for peace? To me that's the most potent indicator of what we're truly after with this conflict.


Because the belligerents and the nations behind this drama have been preparing this for the longest time. They have a complete control over media and what we read and how to influence and steer us to support their narrative with fervor, passion and zeal.
Imagine what social media have done to humanity and what we are seeing now is the effects of it. We are reaching a breaking point and this is even worst than the Cuban missile crisis.
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