I'm looking at the image of Bakhmut objectively and thinking, was that worth it for Russia?
If the answer is no, then it was clearly a mistake. If the answer is yes, then it is probably even more disturbing.

What do you think the answer is?

Judging by your celebration, you think it was worth it?

The slippery slope

Ukraine war: Kyiv rejects Wagner claim over Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65657621
=> Asking: what if Prigozhin is selling it quick and leave the 25th to let Mod getting the blame for next defeats ?




Stop you are ruining his wedding with a camel

Put it this way, they are still selling F-16s world wide and an upgraded version to some countries.
So those that are heading to Ukraine are older models.
On one hand they want Ukraine to receive the older models from Nato Allies so those allies can switch and buy the new F-35s.
And on the other hand Ukraine will still have to somehow pay for those F-16s after the war is "over" I mean nothing is free.

So why did they not want to give F-16s earlier ?

1. You need time to train their pilots.
2. Russia might consider that as Nato is entering the war directly.

But the above two points is not the most important points. The most important thing is , if the S400 or 300s can effectively take out F-16s, it will affect the sales like mad. Everyone will be purchasing S400s in the future.
If you are dealing with places like Iraq, Syria , Libya, Afghanistan ...sure all modern weaponry will wreck these countries apart, furthermore it was done by a coalition of the willing.

But facing Russia, no matter how supposedly "bad" their conventional weapon and stockpile is ..... you might face alot backlash and mistrust if some of your fighters get wrecked by them.

supplying aircraft is basically the last step of escalation before putting men on the ground.

Another thing people don´t really consider is that the last year+ has opened up the proxy-war supply anything to anyone chicken-soup-can. The blowback from ukraine will be massive, trust me.

The next conflict involving west, the other side will be armed tits up with anything they wish for. Technically, i wouldnt be surprised if you start seeing hamas styling with advanced tech.

People are under the assumption that only the US/EU can arm people, which is a silly view.

This post was edited by ownyaah on May 20 2023 01:36pm

Where did I celebrate? I merely pointed out your post where you claimed that the Russians had pulled out of Bakhmut (you should stop watching MSM buddy).

The place is destroyed so it's easy to argue it wasn't worth it. But this is not about Bakhmut, you should look at what caused the conflict (but you refuse to do that).

It's just the next step on the escalation ladder. It started with sanctions and helmets, then sniper rifles / javelins and NLAWS / stingers / howitzers / HIMARS / tanks and everything else they sent.

I think it will come to the point where Russia will declare war on Ukraine, fully mobilize and crush the place because there's no going back and it's clear NATO is willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.

World War 3 coming.
I watch John mearsheimer's interview with the former Indonesia's finance minister.
And he said that China although doing her diplomacy to try to stop the war at the moment, actually wants it to continue for a while more.
I can kinda understand why he said that now.

Djujior in here pretending Russia is not at war with Ukraine

Holy shit. Talk about semantics. Pml

Suddenly you don't know the difference between declaring war and what they call a special military operation huh

D1shonesty