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May 20 2023 12:08am
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Seems fake.

Interesting quote from Zelensky to Arab leaders. Do you think it went well?

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Speaking in English, Zelensky told his counterparts: “Look at how much suffering the long-term wars have brought to Libya, Syria, Yemen, how many lives have been wasted by years of fighting Sudan and Somalia, in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

“I hope that most of us are here for the sake of peace and justice,” he said.
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May 20 2023 12:12am
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Seems fake.

Interesting quote from Zelensky to Arab leaders. Do you think it went well?


Someone's gonna choke on matzoh soon
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Someone's gonna choke on matzoh soon




Should probably add this for context. Doubt Balaji Srinivasan is a Russian asset.
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May 20 2023 12:43am
Found this fun cable from Ambassador Burns to Condoleeza Rice in 2008.

Seems fun to read in 2023.

Oh well.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html#efmBTnBfi
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 18 May 2023 14:02)
I don't think he even have the idea why the Balkans and the Soviet Russia are poor and where it is now.
Communism is only part of the equation.
Corruption in the Balkans and Ex Soviet States is another equation.

One situation that is frequently not being talked about is rather controversial which is the religion equation.

Balkans and Poland are majority either Eastern Orthodox and Catholicism.
Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism are very tightly knitted , family bound and low trust societies.

It takes a sightly longer time for them to progress further. It is difficult for them to be put into a so called " Western Style " Democracy and free market economy capitalistic system and expect them to fly within a few decades.


That was an interesting topic that I didnt have to reply before.

Religion you say was very important, but Swiss are catholic, Irish, Luxemburg. In Germany the most developed region is Bawaria, where catholics are majority and protestants are minority. All very western.
So it kind of doesnt seem right what you say about catholics.
Maybe the religion had some very minimal effect, but it was minor.

Social trust is low in Poland you say and you say its bad.
In fact in Poland you often need to provide some kind of proof, like an ID, or bank statement of incomes etc. There are also some controls whether you are telling the truth.
I know in some other countries, like UK, you say things to the government official and they simply trust you that you are telling them truth.
They dont control you in UK.
The problem I see in social trust is that people dont ask money from their family/friends, unless they really have to, but they will freely ask all the possible money from the government.
I think that about half of the so called "lone mothers" in UK have in fact at least some kind of support/money from their partner.
Also what happens when somebody reports you and you get caught cheating? Nothing bad really, so its often worth to try to cheat for this people.
I, as a taxpayer, expect spending of my taxes to be controlled, and not given freely without control to anybody who comes and asks for it.

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Quote (Malopox @ May 20 2023 07:43am)
Found this fun cable from Ambassador Burns to Condoleeza Rice in 2008.

Seems fun to read in 2023.

Oh well.


Condoleeza Rice was a pathological liar. If you look at her historic interviews where she gets worked up you can see all of her body language tells. Condoleeza Rice is the perfect example of how crime pays. She is held up as some kind of poster child. its quite sad. Whatever happened to justice and equality.

I cant open your link, can you TLDR it for us ?

Quote (Ironfister @ May 20 2023 08:56am)
That was an interesting topic that I didnt have to reply before.

Religion you say was very important, but Swiss are catholic, Irish, Luxemburg. In Germany the most developed region is Bawaria, where catholics are majority and protestants are minority. All very western.
So it kind of doesnt seem right what you say about catholics.
Maybe the religion had some very minimal effect, but it was minor.

Social trust is low in Poland you say and you say its bad.
In fact in Poland you often need to provide some kind of proof, like an ID, or bank statement of incomes etc. There are also some controls whether you are telling the truth.
I know in some other countries, like UK, you say things to the government official and they simply trust you that you are telling them truth.
They dont control you in UK.
The problem I see in social trust is that people dont ask money from their family/friends, unless they really have to, but they will freely ask all the possible money from the government.
I think that about half of the so called "lone mothers" in UK have in fact at least some kind of support/money from their partner.
Also what happens when somebody reports you and you get caught cheating? Nothing bad really, so its often worth to try to cheat for this people.
I, as a taxpayer, expect spending of my taxes to be controlled, and not given freely without control to anybody who comes and asks for it.


Bless.

If the UK is so good why dont you go there.

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Condoleeza Rice was a pathological liar. If you look at her historic interviews where she gets worked up you can see all of her body language tells. Condoleeza Rice is the perfect example of how crime pays. She is held up as some kind of poster child. its quite sad. Whatever happened to justice and equality.

I cant open your link, can you TLDR it for us ?


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Interesting. Means Wikileaks is banned in Ireland? You can use the following link to read it I hope. https://archive.is/2022.10.17-092831/https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

It’s a confidential diplomatic cable leaked by a Assange where ambassador to Russia who went on to become head of CIA in the current Biden admin explains that accepting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is not a good idea as Russians might react violently. Mind you this is February 2008, ahead of NATO Bucharest summit of April 2008 which was followed by Russian invasion of Georgia in August 2008.

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5. (C) Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch some a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does
Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine
Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears
unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would
seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us
that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions
in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the
ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a
major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In
that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to

intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.


I hope you appreciate the subject line of this memo:

“ NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES”

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Quote (Malopox @ May 20 2023 09:23am)
Interesting. Means Wikileaks is banned in Ireland? You can use the following link to read it I hope. https://archive.is/2022.10.17-092831/https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

It’s a confidential diplomatic cable leaked by a Assange where ambassador to Russia who went on to become head of CIA in the current Biden admin explains that accepting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is not a good idea as Russians might react violently. Mind you this is February 2008, ahead of NATO Bucharest summit of April 2008 which was followed by Russian invasion of Georgia in August 2008.



I hope you appreciate the subject line of this memo:

“ NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES”


The issue at hand is that I read those before and the regular people in here with the view of "west good east bad" will just dismiss this.

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May 20 2023 02:49am
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Bless.

If the UK is so good why dont you go there.


Actually I was saying quite opposite, in UK various cheaters can abuse. And that's not good.
I didnt go because I had a family and a newly built house here in Poland.
And my life is not really that bad in Poland, we do make less money here, but the prices are also lower, so the total quality of life is comparable.
And there is a racism abroad against polish people, we are generally expected to work harder and earn less than natives.
So at least I'm at home, and not some lower class citizen as I would be elsewhere.
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 20 2023 09:49am)
Actually I was saying quite opposite, in UK various cheaters can abuse. And that's not good.
I didnt go because I had a family and a newly built house here in Poland.
And my life is not really that bad in Poland, we do make less money here, but the prices are also lower, so the total quality of life is comparable.
And there is a racism abroad against polish people, we are generally expected to work harder and earn less than natives.
So at least I'm at home, and not some lower class citizen as I would be elsewhere.


The UK is the most surveillanced country in Europe. The level of inequality is as far as I know the worst in europe. Their home office actively pursues racist agenda's and their economy has no hope of recovery within the next decade. With the cost of living crisis set to deepen over the next 7-10 years its probably not the best time to go there now.

On the flip side the english people are very pleasant and their football is great.

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