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May 18 2023 11:45am
Quote (Norlander @ 18 May 2023 19:34)
Hasn't history taught you that Soviet troops liberated Poland, and "Ukrainian freedom fighters", i.e. banderites, on occasion, actively burn Poles by the tens of thousands?


Soviets after "liberation" also murdered many polish people.
We were fighting nazists together, then soviets jailed and murdered polish soldiers. And politicians. Soviets murdered all opposition to their government. That kind of "liberation".
It was more like taking control from the Germans, rather than liberation.
And yes there was some major issues between Poland and Ukraine, we wanted to stay united with Ukraine as 1 country to fight Russia together, while the Ukrainians wanted to have their own country, and they get pissed of pretty much, too much imo.
Now its just an ancient history, like usa-britain war (somewhere in 17th century if I remember correctly), both USA and Britain are now friends, and so Poland and Ukraine.
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May 18 2023 11:46am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 May 2023 01:34)
O kurwa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLtvapuSck


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May 18 2023 11:47am
Quote (Djunior @ 18 May 2023 19:02)
So what is NATO expansion? NATOcism? Can you imagine someone delusional enough to come up with that term, claim it's legit and spam it in this topic???

Nope, no one is that that fucking stupid.

But here you are, playing the same game, spamming a trash term which was invented to portray Russia in a negative way, that's the one and only reason and you think you have a valid argument, lol


Nato is a defensive treaty and so on alliance, which countries are joining by their free will. You will have an hard time to present Nato as an equivalent -threat- than Ruscist regime, especially when ex-ussr (small and non-nuclear powered) countries are joining it to avoid being annexed/invaded again... Precisely.
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May 18 2023 11:49am
Quote (Ironfister @ 18 May 2023 20:45)
Soviets after "liberation" also murdered many polish people.
We were fighting nazists together, then soviets jailed and murdered polish soldiers. And politicians. Soviets murdered all opposition to their government. That kind of "liberation".
It was more like taking control from the Germans, rather than liberation.
And yes there was some major issues between Poland and Ukraine, we wanted to stay united with Ukraine as 1 country to fight Russia together, while the Ukrainians wanted to have their own country, and they get pissed of pretty much, too much imo.
Now its just an ancient history, like usa-britain war (somewhere in 17th century if I remember correctly), both USA and Britain are now friends, and so Poland and Ukraine.


Then Russia and Poland will be friends too when we both stop learning from history and just move on.
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May 18 2023 11:55am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 18 2023 02:46pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaMcIbIWt_4


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May 18 2023 11:59am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 18 2023 07:47pm)
Nato is a defensive treaty and so on alliance, which countries are joining by their free will. You will have an hard time to present Nato as an equivalent -threat- than Ruscist regime, especially when ex-ussr (small and non-nuclear powered) countries are joining it to avoid being annexed/invaded again... Precisely.


A defensive military alliance that keeps expanding for one reason --> encroaching on their main adversary and reduce that adversary's influence and capabilities.

I guess that adversary (Russia) will agree with you that NATO is posing no threat to them whatsoever.

/sarcasm in case you missed it

This post was edited by Djunior on May 18 2023 12:00pm
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May 18 2023 12:00pm
Quote (Norlander @ 18 May 2023 19:49)
Then Russia and Poland will be friends too when we both stop learning from history and just move on.


It was close in the 90s, did you watch the Police Academy 7? American and Russian policeman working together. Was a great time. Cold war was over for a while.
Too bad Putin/KGB came to power after and broke everything :(
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May 18 2023 12:01pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 18 May 2023 19:55)


Yeah it seems very funny and intelligent: how many centuries of history do they have vs your own ?
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May 18 2023 12:04pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 18 May 2023 21:00)
It was close in the 90s, did you watch the Police Academy 7? American and Russian policeman working together. Was a great time. Cold war was over for a while.
Too bad Putin/KGB came to power after and broke everything :(


Well, at least I tried...
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May 18 2023 12:10pm
Quote (Djunior @ 18 May 2023 19:59)
A defensive military alliance that keeps expanding for one reason --> encroaching on their main adversary and reduce their adversary's influence and capabilities.

I guess that adversary (Russia) will agree with you that NATO is posing no threat to them whatsoever.

/sarcasm in case you missed it


Russia promised Ukraine in Budapest agreement that they won't attack them.
So Ukraine was already a "no-go" zone for Russia, the Ukraine was truly free and Independent, not a Russia zone of influence.
You should stop thinking what the Russia wants. Because the Russia wants *everything* and doesnt respect any agreements.
If you give them something, they will ask for more in some years.
That's how they ate Poland in XVIII age - asking piece by piece and returning with new demands every couple years.
Kyiv is much older city than Moscov, so that Ukraine has more ław to rule Russia, rather than other way around. Of course that's not gonna happen, because nobody gonna attack Russia, but if we talk about historical entitlement I say Kyiv is older.
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