Wrong they had a choice in 2008 and they decided to side with the West while knowing what would happen.

Facts dude, google 2008 NATO Bucharest summit and read that shit

Such trash posts mean literally nothing and do NOT contribute anything to this debate.

Continuous NATO expansion is a FACT and cannot be denied.

That NATO and Russia are adversaries for a very long time is a FACT.

I'm posting FACTS dude, and you don't have any counter arguments other than "those countries wanted it" so you just post random trash like Ruscism or some other complete BS

supported by video's which we posted last year, dating from 2018, from the Ukrainian Government, where they admitted that the course that they were on (i.e. switching camps from Russia to the US) would lead to wars with Russia, which was a scenario they were resigned to.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 18 2023 09:52am

This is not trash:, Ruscism, which is going back to the source of Russian Empire, plenty explains why Russia is agressing nearby countries.
Russia didn't positively evolved since Russian Empire which itself was a totally retarded version of 18th century in western europe. Soviet era crystallized it, modernized it, but did not change its deep nature.

Can you even imagine a minute that Russian Empire is the only one in the world, in history, who reverted back from serfdom to slavery ?

( Russian Slavery and Serfdom, Cambridge )
Serfdom, which began in 1450, evolved into near-slavery in the eighteenth century and was finally abolished in 1906.

I let you imagine the damage they did to the Ukrainians...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 18 2023 10:17am

wow the french abolished slavery in 1845 a good 50 plus years earlier than the Russians wow clap clap clap wow so moral so kind.

Oh wow you still have colonies clap clap clap.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on May 18 2023 10:02am

Then they would go Belarus way:

- country to be fully "absorbed" into Russia in 8 years.
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-plans-belarus-absorption-by-2030-media-reports/a-64771429

- country forced to support Russia on offensive war and provide their territory as a base for attacks

- your foreign or any other minister dies suddenly if Kremlin doesnt like him/her.
https://apnews.com/article/europe-estonia-belarus-alexander-lukashenko-state-funerals-1a9ea6ea9395af82f2a0969735aec064

- subject to trade sanctions from half of the world.

- no trade deal with EU, no Ukrainians making money in EU.

- Ukrainians are more stubborn than Belarus people, the absorption wouldn't go as soft as in Belarus.

Also the war was so far a disaster for Putin.
He lost a lot of saved money, lost a lot of soldiers, lost like half tanks, most its missiles, Russia is becoming China vassal.
It wasnt a good decision to attack, and the Ukrainians possibly didnt expect Putin to make such a bad move.

Hey, I already pointed out to you twice that the source material used to define Ruscisms was racism. All anyone has to do is open the first link in that wiki page to understand this. So what you are supporting, this "Ruscism" Orc or whatever, is in fact, Racism. you could read the source material before you keep repeating this word. I accept that humanity as a species is conditioned to be racist but there is no need to ever promote this undesirable attitude towards fellow humans.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 18 2023 10:05am

Tank you for the asymetric whataboutism...
We are not talking about thousands of people on distant islands here, but about what was done to the internal population on the main territory and immediate neighbors.
Anyway, the simple idea of reversing serfdom to slavery is very disturbing.

/e on a side note i think it was a very significant part of the russian population and even today: "2018 Global Slavery Index estimates 794,000 people currently living in slavery-like conditions in Russia."
Wtf

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 18 2023 10:41am

So what is NATO expansion? NATOcism? Can you imagine someone delusional enough to come up with that term, claim it's legit and spam it in this topic???

Nope, no one is that that fucking stupid.

But here you are, playing the same game, spamming a trash term which was invented to portray Russia in a negative way, that's the one and only reason and you think you have a valid argument, lol




So you admit that they in fact did have a choice, you're now saying something different than earlier...

That Russia lost a lot of resources and soldiers is no concern for an authoritarian regime --> They will just carry on, eat caviar while ordinary people die in the trenches...

This post was edited by Djunior on May 18 2023 11:07am