During the Cuban Missile Crisis Kennedy was told that the US had nuclear weapons in Turkey, aimed at Russia. As part of a resolution to the incident, the US agreed to take those nuclear missiles out of Turkey, which they did. When things settled down, the US put nuclear weapons back into Turkey, but Russia did not put nuclear weapons back into Cuba. This is an example of double standards. Add-On : The US has also walked away from several nuclear treaties in recent years which is naturally destabilizing. This is a hard fact.

Here is another example: The US went mental over Georgia for trying to have the same laws which exist within the US, namely "all foreign organizations, whether GO or NGO, if part state owned 20% or more, must declare. This is double standards - its OK for the US to have such a law at home but its not OK for Georgia to have that law.

Here is another example: China is dealing/trading/building with South American countries more and more. One could use the term "grooming". This is going to be a flash point at some point in the future noting this will indeed fall into the realm of "US Interests". If one is of the view that the US will sleepwalk into a major issue re: South America, I would tend to agree. I would also say that Russia did not sleep walk into the issue with the US and EU grooming Ukraine (accepted they were groomed willingly), instead Russia protested quiet loudly for over a decade, to no avail. The US simply ignored Russia as irrelevant and now they are literally kids in the kitchen playing with the oven.

So in terms of why Ukraine and not Finland, its like saying, Why Mexico and not Canada, or why Turkey and not Cuba. Russia does not give two tosses about Finland, but it was very clear for a long time, that Ukraine was its red line. Now, YOU dont need to agree with the reasons why Russia says Ukraine is its red line and Finland is not, but the US should factor that in before it does things, which, it didnt, and here we are.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 16 2023 01:46pm

Constant ad hominem and zero content. Thats why nobody takes you seriously.



Unfortunately no end in sight. Realistically this war becomes a frozen conflict, generational war and certainly leads to brutal insurgency against the RF; And by consequence increased repression.

You can't tangibly explain WHY it is Russia's red line. "it just is" is enough for you? I mean talk about setting the bar low.

I can understand that you want it to stop. Imho the end of the day for Russia is very unexpected (i means the predictions), we have seen so much surprises during this war.










If you say so, it must be true. In waiting; you are the one at fault since the very beginning.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 16 2023 01:55pm

I'm posting facts and can back my post up with sources. You're just going REEEEEE all day long like a broken record





Your post history is like a sewer, lol

Want some examples?







You're easily PARD's worst contributor. You fully deserve to be called a trash poster

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Wow you are digging it hard. You are realizing how obsessed you are ?

Trash deflection won't save you --> You produce my quotes that are from way earlier.

You're full of shit

read this thread a few pages

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=100387152&f=119

if i have to bet on Russia's evolution: Putin gone, a bit of chaos and protests, then elections, complete peace, and joining the West. That's my optimistic bet.

Historical status quo was always that Ukraine was similar to Belarus is to Russia. We saw a bridgehead to upset that and undermine Russia, our historical geopolitical enemy and we took that opportunity with the coup, in similar ways we've done so in the past with dozens of coups against it's former form the USSR. You can continue to deny historical continuity and precedent but that's what it is, documented in many cases all across the globe in the last 70 years.

Idk what USSR mismanagement you're talking about, Crimea for the last few hundred years was a main Russian empire port. If you think some guy signing away Crimea in the 1950's when it didn't matter at all would cement that it's part of Ukraine even though prior it was Russian and even currently has an overwhelmingly Russian population, that's a really dumb assertion, it's even dumber to somehow think this simple signature is to be held to the highest legal standards of 'claim'. Not democracy, not ethnic make up, but some commie signing it away with a stroke of a pen (funny how funny we have no problem with that in the west when it suits are interest).

The Russian regime doesn't have to work very hard to convince it's people of this when NATO continues to inch closer and closer and envelop every nation next to Russia under it's 'defensive' military alliance. You'd think we wouldn't be so intimidated by a gas station as to continue to collect countries into an alliance against them like Pokemon cards, but here we are.