Nonsense you are applying NATO expansion is the primary reason and justification for the war. Which is debunked, and you fail to convince otherwise.
I am saying there are multiple causes as previously mentioned, yet you ignore.

Sitting back saying the CIA and US did some terrible things, then linking that to somehow forcing Russia to invade Ukraine. Is mental gymnastics.

Its a war of aggression plain and simple.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 16 2023 01:27pm

#3months comrade

Missile doing 6100 km/h (mach 5) is more than 30 times faster than shaed, meaning a very different problematic for detection & interception range & delay.
Even if Russia decides to "spam" Ukraine with shaed for eternity, a cheaper & cheaper counter measure will become available pretty easily imho. Putin lovers can cry.

NATO was founded to counter the USSR

NATO decided to carry on their mission after the USSR dissolved (without a shot fired and on friendly terms with the West)

NATO expanded round after round, poking the bear

NATO decided to go for Ukraine and Georgia because why not those people want it trololol

NATO fucked up




#trashscammer

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=100574468&f=250

Its a war of aggression, that Russia is not winning. 15months into a 10day special military operation *cough* forever war.

When you're linking official NATO lines, safe to say I'm going to fail to convince you of anything, which is fine. Nothing has been debunked, that's an open question with billions of people and many governments not having it settled.

I look at history and how we operated in similar cases in the last 70 years and use that as my baseline as the lens to view this conflict, while you want to view this from a perspective of moralism (of course that's the same one being spammed on TV 24/7 in west by the MSM, which always seems to find itself aligned with what the alphabet agencies and military wants)

from moderator in last post:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=100574468&f=250&p=644587501

" I don’t want to see any further drama related to this matter between the two of you. Stop spamming on each others trade topics, etc… it’s done. Should either of you violate this request there will be potential warnings / suspensions applied to your accounts. "

=> You should be reported for this kind of harassement, no doubt about this.

There is no moralism in my reasoning, stop strawmanning.

The realpolitik as I see it is that the main threat to Russian regime was Ukrainian democracy, combined with Russias own shitshow strategy of its black sea navy/naval base; That essentially involved bribing Ukraine's government to allow the Russian fleet in Sevastopol and hoping that Ukrainians would be fine pivoting away from closer ties to Europe and becoming the next Belarus.

The USSR and RF mismanagement of the administration of Crimea and its own terrible strategy for its Black Sea fleet led to this war becoming existential and inevitable for Russia.

If you think the US caused this primarily, there is no convincing you otherwise. But it blatantly is fallacious logic.
As I said before the US only takes notice of Russia when it has to. The Russian regime requires an adversarial relationship with the US for domestic leverage, and to validate its own ambition to be anything more than a nuclear equipped gas station masquerading as a global superpower.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 16 2023 01:43pm

This is how this war should end

This post was edited by Norlander on May 16 2023 01:41pm

Do YOU remember what you're not allowed to post? I can report you at least a dozen times, go ahead if you want to try that childish crap again. Got your shit bookmarked.

You're trash posting non stop and crying at about all users you don't agree with here in PARD. You're a sad little child SMH