Quote (ofthevoid @ May 16 2023 05:57pm)
Your English comprehension seems very limited as i'm answering your question and yet it's still failing to register. Eastern expansion towards Russia was and is a concern to them, this is something that has been a concern since the Soviet Union imploded, acknowledged in the west, and hence we have the "Not one inch" comment coming out of it. If it was a concern then that we acknowledged it, why is it all the sudden been scrubbed as a concern in modern day when they've been repeating it for 20+ years? All expansion was a concern but Ukraine was the red line. Hopefully, this registers, as i'm running out of ways to frame something so simple.
Bold is nonsense. There are NATO bases and troops in Poland, Romania, Czech, etc that precede 2014, no idea what you're talking about.
Bold is nonsense? Are you sure about that? What is your source?
Check the bold in this paragraph below.
Still waiting for an explanation of the tangible threat to Russia from NATO expansion in Ukraine. Is it missiles? No. Subs can be well within range of St Petersburg or Moscow at anytime as a deterrent.
Or is the tangible threat to Russia's regime, not NATO but a democratic Ukraine on its doorstep. Refer also the internet blackout and repressive crackdown in Kazakhstan after the removal of the fuel cap. Refer to the Russian involvement in Belarus propping up its dictator. Insert Georgia, insert Karabag, insert Transnistria.
This image of Russia as a victim of NATO expansion is completely false and is an argument completely built on sand.
Source -
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm#:~:text=Before%20Russia's%20illegal%20annexation%20of,eastern%20part%20of%20the%20Alliance.
Myth 3: NATO is aggressive and a threat to Russia
Fact: NATO is a defensive alliance, whose purpose is to protect our members. Our official policy is that "NATO does not seek confrontation and poses no threat to the Russian Federation" NATO didn't invade Georgia; NATO didn't invade Ukraine. Russia did.
NATO has reached out to Russia consistently and publicly over the past 30 years. We worked together on issues ranging from counter-narcotics and counter-terrorism to submarine rescue and civil emergency planning – even during periods of NATO enlargement. However, in 2014, in response to Russia's aggressive actions against Ukraine, NATO suspended practical cooperation with Russia. We do not seek confrontation, but we can't ignore Russia breaking international rules, undermining our stability and security.
In response to Russia's use of military force against Ukraine, NATO deployed four multinational battlegroups to the Baltic States and Poland in 2016.
Before Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea, there were no Allied troops in the eastern part of the Alliance.In response to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, NATO has significantly reinforced its deterrence and defence posture, including with four new battlegroups in the eastern part of the Alliance. At the NATO Summit in Madrid, Allies agreed that Russia is the most significant and direct threat to their security and to peace and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area. Allies also agreed to further strengthen NATO's posture. However, Allies remain willing to keep open channels of communication with Moscow to manage and mitigate risks, prevent escalation and increase transparency.
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 16 2023 01:01pm