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Mar 25 2019 10:14pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 25 2019 09:10pm)
Were in a different world than when we had pandemics. Were beyond the point that a single disease is going to wipe out such large swaths of the population. Pandemics come from animal transmission to humans and improved sanitation and food standards have nearly eliminated that risk.

Still, viral infections (spanish flu, smallpox, etc) are far more contagious and dont give a damn about antibiotics so your "we might have a pandemic" argument falls flat.

The truth is that a world without antibiotics is a world where pneumonia becomes more deadly, and opportunistic infections become worse, but to the laymen who wont experience that until old age the world is fairly unchanged.


You don't even understand how wrong you are.

There are hundreds of cases of "The Black Death" every year. They're treated. With antibiotics.

Pandemics occur nearly daily in today's world. You know why they don't reach historic pandemic levels? Oh, that's right, cures.

Like antibiotics.

So, if we go down the logic train, living in a preantibiotic society might, just MIGHT be a bad thing, no?
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You don't even understand how wrong you are.

There are hundreds of cases of "The Black Death" every year. They're treated. With antibiotics.

Pandemics occur nearly daily in today's world. You know why they don't reach historic pandemic levels? Oh, that's right, cures.

Like antibiotics.

So, if we go down the logic train, living in a preantibiotic society might, just MIGHT be a bad thing, no?


You keep trying to imply I dont think antibiotics should be regulated. Its pretty sad you arent capable of following a simple argument.

Pandemics occur daily... but they dont because cures. Yeah okay.

You realize bubonic plague still existed after the plagues and until we discovered antibiotics right? By your logic it should have wiped out humanity at this point.

Opuates have overarching effects that arent limited to the individual. You should do some research.
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Mar 25 2019 10:28pm
Not only should antibiotic use be massively more regulated, antibiotic resistance markers in transgenics crops need to be massively more regulated as well. We’re making monsters we can’t fight.
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Mar 25 2019 10:34pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 25 2019 09:18pm)
You keep trying to imply I dont think antibiotics should be regulated. Its pretty sad you arent capable of following a simple argument.

Pandemics occur daily... but they dont because cures. Yeah okay.

You realize bubonic plague still existed after the plagues and until we discovered antibiotics right? By your logic it should have wiped out humanity at this point.

Opuates have overarching effects that arent limited to the individual. You should do some research.


You aren't adding anything to the conversation. Although, I do want to point to the fact that while discussing antibiotics, you brought up smallpox. Um... Smallpox is a VIRUS. A VACCINE was created. The VACCINE was administered GLOBALLY. The last case of smallpox was in 1977. We ERADICATED this virus. Why would you include this in the conversation at all? Do you understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria?

Pandemic infections occur daily. These are infections that if allowed to spread will indeed infect millions of people, and in the modern world, potentially billions of people, nearly overnight. It doesn't happen. Why? Antibiotics. While you're correct that the black death existed between the great plagues and antibiotics, you're false in your assumptions. Active quarantine used to be a thing. As you say, "You should do some research."

Regarding "overarching effects" of opiates, nope. Not buying it. There is nothing worse regarding safely produced opiates than alcohol. It's merely just another prohibition. There's no society-destroying issue here. There's no mass death resulting from one person using an opiate and transmitting that opiate to everyone they come in contact with. Oranges and apples. As with any addiction, such as smoking, or drinking, or gambling, or too much time online, or too much time gaming, it can cause family issues, cost friendships, even cause a person to die. It's still self-harm. If you want to go with the "It will cause issue in the family unit" line of argument, that's outstanding. Let's go back to "Sex Ed" being all about abstinence until marriage. Because nothing causes friction in a family like pregnancy without marriage. Let's outlaw alcohol too, because we all know the amount of death, crime, and broken families that addiction causes. Oh, wait, we did, it didn't work.

I believe you think you have a point. I just can't figure out what that point is. The societal issue regarding overuse of antibiotics is abundantly clear. There is no societal issue regarding legalizing opiates. Those who want to use them are already using them. Insuring that the manufacture of the drugs is safe and regulated, and that those who purchase the drugs are of legal age should be of much higher concern than "But muh addicts!"
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Mar 25 2019 10:41pm
If you dont know why opiates are more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco them its an issue of ignorance. Id advise you to look at the ease of overdose and relative rates of addiction between them.

I didnt know we had vaccines to undiscovered viruses. Damn that must be what's preventing pandemic level spreading. By the way we still have quarantines in hospitals for certain diseases like sars that are highly infectious that we dont have cures for.

Your argument that infections would reach pandemic levels ignors the fact that there are far more infectious diseases that we dont have cures for.

This is a pattern ive noticed across several conversations, you actively avoid acknowledging things that conflict with your worldview.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 26 2019 04:34am)
You aren't adding anything to the conversation. Although, I do want to point to the fact that while discussing antibiotics, you brought up smallpox. Um... Smallpox is a VIRUS. A VACCINE was created. The VACCINE was administered GLOBALLY. The last case of smallpox was in 1977. We ERADICATED this virus. Why would you include this in the conversation at all? Do you understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria?

Pandemic infections occur daily. These are infections that if allowed to spread will indeed infect millions of people, and in the modern world, potentially billions of people, nearly overnight. It doesn't happen. Why? Antibiotics. While you're correct that the black death existed between the great plagues and antibiotics, you're false in your assumptions. Active quarantine used to be a thing. As you say, "You should do some research."

Regarding "overarching effects" of opiates, nope. Not buying it. There is nothing worse regarding safely produced opiates than alcohol. It's merely just another prohibition. There's no society-destroying issue here. There's no mass death resulting from one person using an opiate and transmitting that opiate to everyone they come in contact with. Oranges and apples. As with any addiction, such as smoking, or drinking, or gambling, or too much time online, or too much time gaming, it can cause family issues, cost friendships, even cause a person to die. It's still self-harm. If you want to go with the "It will cause issue in the family unit" line of argument, that's outstanding. Let's go back to "Sex Ed" being all about abstinence until marriage. Because nothing causes friction in a family like pregnancy without marriage. Let's outlaw alcohol too, because we all know the amount of death, crime, and broken families that addiction causes. Oh, wait, we did, it didn't work.

I believe you think you have a point. I just can't figure out what that point is. The societal issue regarding overuse of antibiotics is abundantly clear. There is no societal issue regarding legalizing opiates. Those who want to use them are already using them. Insuring that the manufacture of the drugs is safe and regulated, and that those who purchase the drugs are of legal age should be of much higher concern than "But muh addicts!"



I am very interested in why you continue to post well thought out and factually based things to all the lefty loons on this forum.
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Mar 29 2019 11:23pm


Biden’s exit from the primaries has begun whether he wants to or not

red underline = lol
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Biden’s exit from the primaries has begun whether he wants to or not

red underline = lol


Isnt it some sort of unspoken consensus in liberal circles that an old white man is not what they want in a candidate this time around, and that Beto is the only acceptable white male in their current field?
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Mar 29 2019 11:34pm
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Isnt it some sort of unspoken consensus in liberal circles that an old white man is not what they want in a candidate this time around, and that Beto is the only acceptable white male in their current field?


despite all that racism from the privileged lefty (D)s Biden is comfortably in the lead for the primaries as of right now, but the tabloids are on the case to make sure he goes away
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despite all that racism from the privileged lefty (D)s Biden is comfortably in the lead for the primaries as of right now, but the tabloids are on the case to make sure he goes away


They'll be coming for Sanders as well, sooner or later.
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