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Seems Russia launched missiles on Kyiv & others places this night. 18 missiles. Official declaration:
" Air defence downs all Russian missiles and drones flying over Ukraine overnight, including 6 Kinzhal missiles "

The Russian army confirmed during the day that it had struck Ukraine during the night and claimed to have "hit all the targets".... :huh:
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May 16 2023 06:44am
Quote (Malopox @ 16 May 2023 20:26)
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/06/why-are-we-in-ukraine/

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Reading , and also Ukraine was Biden's Portfolio under Obama.
Him and Nuland are just continuing their work.

Things are going to be more evident the sooner it gets to election time in USA.
Sad to say someone might be getting thrown under the bus sooner than later .

The MSN in the states will start to change their narrative closer to election I think.

I am reading the article now.

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May 16 2023 07:01am
Quote (Malopox @ May 16 2023 01:26pm)
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/06/why-are-we-in-ukraine/

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could not have written it better myself.

I would have transcribed the entire article if I could but its too long.

TLDR is:

"The policies that Washington has pursued toward Moscow and Kyiv, often under the banner of righteousness and duty, have created conditions that make the risk of nuclear war between the United States and Russia greater than it has ever been. Far from making the world safer by setting it in order, we have made it all the more dangerous."

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Quote (ferdia @ 16 May 2023 21:01)
could not have written it better myself.

I would have transcribed the entire article if I could but its too long.

TLDR is:

"The policies that Washington has pursued toward Moscow and Kyiv, often under the banner of righteousness and duty, have created conditions that make the risk of nuclear war between the United States and Russia greater than it has ever been. Far from making the world safer by setting it in order, we have made it all the more dangerous."


And they are doubling down with China now . :lol:
They are eager for another war . A proxy war, but it will be funny if they are being drawn directly in one . :lol:

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 16 2023 02:09pm)
And they are doubling down with China now . :lol:
They are eager for another war . A proxy war, but it will be funny if they are being drawn directly in one . :lol:


ah crap, already posted that one, nevermind then.

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May 16 2023 07:13am
Yushchenko was taking on a presidential candidate favoured by Russia when he was poisoned with a dioxin.

In september 2004 ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning




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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 16 2023 02:13pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Gt4V3ojj4


thats a good interview.
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Quote (Malopox @ May 16 2023 08:26am)
https://harpers.org/archive/2023/06/why-are-we-in-ukraine/

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Goom and I mentioned this before, but US foreign policy towards Russia in the last 15-20 years really does not make sense even from the rational hegemonic perspective. Everyone understands that if there's one country that will unseat the US as the global power, it isn't going to be Russia, but rather China. That's been evident IMO for at least like 10-15 years now. They have the man power, they have the industrial backbone, and they are catching up on the technology side.

So with that in mind, a rational Empire objective is to drive a wedge between the number 2 power (China) and everyone else. This includes Russia, which has unmatched natural resource wealth. Instead of us accepting Russia into NATO and basically 'tying' Russia to the west economically and then driving a wedge between Russia and China we excluded and pushed Russia out of the western world, and by doing so it's firmly in the China camp.

Now China has a neighbor to the north that is more reliant on trade with China more than ever. Russia and China are signing long term contracts for gas, oil & other industrial inputs. Our foreign policy literally guaranteed China's natural resource needs for at least a decade. If our objective is to maintain hegemony, we sure are failing hard and instead our actions are directly leading to China becoming stronger.

It's the same point to be made with seizing billions in USD reserves that Russia had. Doing that drives dozens if not hundreds of countries to diversify away from USD and possibly want to sign up/be a part of whatever currency China or China dominated BRICS will propose. Is it a surprise that so many countries are so eager to get into BRICS now? Honestly I don't understand the logic of what we're doing and how it's self seeking on a macro long term view.

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Goom and I mentioned this before, but US foreign policy towards Russia in the last 15-20 years really does not make sense even from the rational hegemonic perspective. Everyone understands that if there's one country that will unseat the US as the global power, it isn't going to be Russia, but rather China. That's been evident IMO for at least like 10-15 years now. They have the man power, they have the industrial backbone, and they are catching up on the technology side.

So with that in mind, a rational Empire objective is to drive a wedge between the number 2 power (China) and everyone else. This includes Russia, which has unmatched natural resource wealth. Instead of us accepting Russia into NATO and basically 'tying' Russia to the west economically and then driving a wedge between Russia and China we excluded and pushed Russia out of the western world, and by doing so it's firmly in the China camp.

Now China has a neighbor to the north that is more reliant on trade with China more than ever. Russia and China are signing long term contracts for gas, oil & other industrial inputs. Our foreign policy literally guaranteed China's natural resource needs for at least a decade. If our objective is to maintain hegemony, we sure are failing hard and instead our actions are directly leading to China becoming stronger.

It's the same point to be made with seizing billions in USD reserves that Russia had. Doing that drives dozens if not hundreds of countries to diversify away from USD and possibly want to sign up/be a part of whatever currency China or China dominated BRICS will propose. Is it a surprise that so many countries are so eager to get into BRICS now? Honestly I don't understand the logic of what we're doing and how it's self seeking on a macro long term view.


Accepting Russia into NATO? ....
Russia excluded itself visa vi Putin
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