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May 6 2023 10:13am
Quote (Djunior @ 6 May 2023 17:11)
Are you seriously arguing that the present situation is better than the old situation under Viktor Yanukovych :P :lol: :rofl:


Was the situation at the height of the American Civil War better than during the antebellum period?
Was the situation at the height of the Revolutionary War better than during the preceding British rule?

No, technically not because wars and revolutions always come with disruption and suffering. In spite of temporarily leading to a more unstable and perilous situation, they can still pave the way into a better long-term future. Following your logic, no war would ever be worth fighting.

At the end of the day, we don't know how this war will end and what Ukraine's long-term future will look like. Furthermore, it is not up to us to decide which kinds of sacrifices the Ukrainian people consider worthwhile.
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May 6 2023 10:58am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 6 May 2023 14:47)
Lmao getting educated on racism by a dude from POLAND :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hey, tell me, how do Polish people feel about immigrants?


It depends from where these people come. EU and Ukraine are welcome, although Russian propaganda strikes hard to make us and Ukrainians dislike each other. Fortunately with limited success so far.
Poland is a border of NATO, border of UE. We are placed where the civilized world ends, and russist terrorism start.
You can google "spanish africa border", you will see a 10meter high wall and people trying to go past it by force.
Polish - Belarus/Russia border is similar, except the wall isn't that high, but we dont accept people who are smuggled to us by terrorists.
Rich west is only like 1 billion people, Poland is only 38mln while poor world is like 2 billion people. People from different culture, many of them live by middle age standards, they need host country support to integrate and to educate them into society. We just cant take them all who want to come and enjoy our social benefits, border has to be shut down and people cant just freely come.
I do not know any civilized country that accepts unlimited immigrants. Images from Poland are more brutal because we have border with Russia/Belarus that tries to destabilize us by smuggling large amounts of illegal immigrants. They also make money, every immigrant pays Russia/Belarus a large amount of money for transfering them to Polish border.
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May 6 2023 11:11am
Quote (Djunior @ 6 May 2023 17:11)
Are you seriously arguing that the present situation is better than the old situation under Viktor Yanukovych :P :lol: :rofl:


First of all Russians are angry that Ukrainians wanted to stay free.
So there is no coming back to more peaceful way, they will most probably want to punish Ukrainians, to make an example to the world that those who oppose Russian slavers end more tragical than those who peacefully accept being slaves.

Second of all Yanukovych presidence was a transition time, when he was trying to put Ukraine into Russian hands. But it was not a finished process, so Ukraine was not under Russian occupation yet, the process was stopped. It was kind of "baiting Ukraine" phase. Like the kidnapper driving a "come for candy" truck to lure children inside.

Also see what Black xistenz wrote, he is also right. War is a temporary situation. Peace can be signed any day. In fact we see by recent Prigozin letters that situation is bad at Russia side. That opens a window for negotiations.
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May 6 2023 11:26am
Quote (Ironfister @ 6 May 2023 19:58)
It depends from where these people come. EU and Ukraine are welcome, although Russian propaganda strikes hard to make us and Ukrainians dislike each other. Fortunately with limited success so far.
Poland is a border of NATO, border of UE. We are placed where the civilized world ends, and russist terrorism start.
You can google "spanish africa border", you will see a 10meter high wall and people trying to go past it by force.
Polish - Belarus/Russia border is similar, except the wall isn't that high, but we dont accept people who are smuggled to us by terrorists.
Rich west is only like 1 billion people, Poland is only 38mln while poor world is like 2 billion people. People from different culture, many of them live by middle age standards, they need host country support to integrate and to educate them into society. We just cant take them all who want to come and enjoy our social benefits, border has to be shut down and people cant just freely come.
I do not know any civilized country that accepts unlimited immigrants. Images from Poland are more brutal because we have border with Russia/Belarus that tries to destabilize us by smuggling large amounts of illegal immigrants. They also make money, every immigrant pays Russia/Belarus a large amount of money for transfering them to Polish border.


Where are the other 5 billions?

This post was edited by Norlander on May 6 2023 11:27am
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May 6 2023 11:30am
Quote (Ironfister @ May 6 2023 01:58pm)
It depends from where these people come. EU and Ukraine are welcome, although Russian propaganda strikes hard to make us and Ukrainians dislike each other. Fortunately with limited success so far.
Poland is a border of NATO, border of UE. We are placed where the civilized world ends, and russist terrorism start.
You can google "spanish africa border", you will see a 10meter high wall and people trying to go past it by force.
Polish - Belarus/Russia border is similar, except the wall isn't that high, but we dont accept people who are smuggled to us by terrorists.
Rich west is only like 1 billion people, Poland is only 38mln while poor world is like 2 billion people. People from different culture, many of them live by middle age standards, they need host country support to integrate and to educate them into society. We just cant take them all who want to come and enjoy our social benefits, border has to be shut down and people cant just freely come.
I do not know any civilized country that accepts unlimited immigrants. Images from Poland are more brutal because we have border with Russia/Belarus that tries to destabilize us by smuggling large amounts of illegal immigrants. They also make money, every immigrant pays Russia/Belarus a large amount of money for transfering them to Polish border.


Hahahahahahaha :rofl:
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May 6 2023 11:50am
JFC, drugs are quite potent in Łódź.

I have a feeling he really believes everything he writes and is not trolling like saucisson.
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May 6 2023 12:18pm
Quote (Norlander @ 6 May 2023 19:26)
Where are the other 5 billions?


Countries like China are semi developed, they dont clasify as "poor world" imo. These are not exact numbers, just to give you guys a generał idea
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May 6 2023 12:19pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 6 May 2023 19:30)
Hahahahahahaha :rofl:


Everything what I said is true, not sure why you consider it funny, I don't.
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May 6 2023 12:28pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 6 May 2023 21:18)
Countries like China are semi developed, they dont clasify as "poor world" imo. These are not exact numbers, just to give you guys a generał idea


Oh, now I got the point. Using the same logic we can say that Canada doesn't belong to poor world either since it is mostly uninhabited. Correct?

This post was edited by Norlander on May 6 2023 12:28pm
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May 6 2023 12:54pm
Quote (Norlander @ 6 May 2023 18:28)
Oh, now I got the point. Using the same logic we can say that Canada doesn't belong to poor world either since it is mostly uninhabited. Correct?


No, I think it's about emerging countries dynamics: Larger part of undereducated rural peasants or/and urban manual workers than developped countries.
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