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May 6 2023 02:04am
Quote (Ironfister @ May 6 2023 04:27am)
Russians keep data about khinzal confident. So does Ukrainians/Americans.
If they share information they have, for example how they shot it, this information could be potentially useful for Russia to make a next generation, better missile. Or to adjust Russian tactics.


So what, you assume the report is true because the Ukrainian Air force spokesman denied it?

You think the Russians don't know if a missile was shot down instead of hitting its target? They need Ukraine to confirm it? Lmao

Do you feel any shame in furthering the stereotype of Poles as a stupid people?
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May 6 2023 02:54am
I'm already seeing some western media sources debunking the Kinzhal claim and saying their Ukrainian air defense sources are denying it and not making any such claim. Doesn't help people are unironically circulating that video of Ukraine downing its own drone and claiming its video of a Kinzhal taken down, a bit like posting a video of shooting down a weather balloon and calling it a successful intercept of a MIRV ICBM
Just doesn't make sense at face value, the patriot isn't designed to shoot down hypersonic missiles. Even when they slow down and aren't evasive in the final ballistic approach, they're still an absurdly small cross section on an incredibly fast moving object, far beyond its capabilities. Might as well tie the patriot's radar platform to a barrage balloon and try to float it into the path of the missile
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May 6 2023 03:33am
Quote (Goomshill @ 6 May 2023 08:54)
I'm already seeing some western media sources debunking the Kinzhal claim and saying their Ukrainian air defense sources are denying it and not making any such claim. Doesn't help people are unironically circulating that video of Ukraine downing its own drone and claiming its video of a Kinzhal taken down, a bit like posting a video of shooting down a weather balloon and calling it a successful intercept of a MIRV ICBM
Just doesn't make sense at face value, the patriot isn't designed to shoot down hypersonic missiles. Even when they slow down and aren't evasive in the final ballistic approach, they're still an absurdly small cross section on an incredibly fast moving object, far beyond its capabilities. Might as well tie the patriot's radar platform to a barrage balloon and try to float it into the path of the missile


I remember - 1 tweet in reddit - yesterday about this, on the other hand today:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal-6b59af8e60853b4d6d16dd8d607768be
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-air-force-admits-shooting-080802263.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/06/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal/ba39c340-ebeb-11ed-869e-986dd5713bc8_story.html

You think papers above are relaying false information ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 6 2023 03:33am
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May 6 2023 05:10am
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Well we've also got;

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-air-force-denies-reports-132000149.html
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-downed-1798659

Now lets put on our critical thinking caps and between the contradictory claims by the Ukrainians, knowing that they've repeatedly made obviously false propaganda claims throughout the war that have been credulously repeated by western media, and the astronomical odds of a patriot ever being able to shoot down a kinzhal under any operational conditions- what is the most reasonable assessment? Do contextless pictures of a mostly intact nosecone of an unidentifiable object that may or may not even be a missile, let alone a kinzhal (and looks suspiciously like its not the right size, not the right material, not destroyed in a way consistent with the claim, and is likely made out of literal poured concrete), give us reasonably believable proof that one was downed by a patriot? And then somehow crashed and stayed intact on the ground despite traveling at supersonic speeds even after slowing down from its hypersonic cruising phase?

If Ukraine claimed that president zelensky borrowed the Joker's gun from the '89 Batman and shot down a MIG with it, we'd still have the AP and WaPo putting all their journalistic integrity to the test by laundering that propaganda.

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May 6 2023 05:26am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 6 2023 11:33am)

You think papers above are relaying false information ?


One year ago in the news:

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May 6 2023 05:27am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 6 2023 04:10am)
Well we've also got;

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-air-force-denies-reports-132000149.html
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-downed-1798659

Now lets put on our critical thinking caps and between the contradictory claims by the Ukrainians, knowing that they've repeatedly made obviously false propaganda claims throughout the war that have been credulously repeated by western media, and the astronomical odds of a patriot ever being able to shoot down a kinzhal under any operational conditions- what is the most reasonable assessment? Do contextless pictures of a mostly intact nosecone of an unidentifiable object that may or may not even be a missile, let alone a kinzhal (and looks suspiciously like its not the right size, not the right material, not destroyed in a way consistent with the claim, and is likely made out of literal poured concrete), give us reasonably believable proof that one was downed by a patriot? And then somehow crashed and stayed intact on the ground despite traveling at supersonic speeds even after slowing down from its hypersonic cruising phase?

If Ukraine claimed that president zelensky borrowed the Joker's gun from the '89 Batman and shot down a MIG with it, we'd still have the AP and WaPo putting all their journalistic integrity to the test by laundering that propaganda.


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May 6 2023 05:50am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 6 May 2023 10:04)
So what, you assume the report is true because the Ukrainian Air force spokesman denied it?

You think the Russians don't know if a missile was shot down instead of hitting its target? They need Ukraine to confirm it? Lmao

Do you feel any shame in furthering the stereotype of Poles as a stupid people?


I dont know if the missile has data transmission to HQ 1000km away. Does it?

Even if it transmits information during flight, Russians could not know if it was shot down or simply malfunctioned. And if shot down - what shot it down. Where was the patriot placed. What and where detected the incoming missile.
Sometimes its better not to say anything, this way you dont risk giving out any information. Reduce the risk, this is the right policy.

Please stop the racist remarks, or I will report you to mods for being racist. I'm not surprised why you stick with Russia, bad racist villains stick together I guess. Do you have also hit on black people and other minorities?
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May 6 2023 05:55am
Quote (Goomshill @ 6 May 2023 11:10)
Well we've also got;

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ukrainian-air-force-denies-reports-132000149.html
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-downed-1798659

Now lets put on our critical thinking caps and between the contradictory claims by the Ukrainians, knowing that they've repeatedly made obviously false propaganda claims throughout the war that have been credulously repeated by western media, and the astronomical odds of a patriot ever being able to shoot down a kinzhal under any operational conditions- what is the most reasonable assessment? Do contextless pictures of a mostly intact nosecone of an unidentifiable object that may or may not even be a missile, let alone a kinzhal (and looks suspiciously like its not the right size, not the right material, not destroyed in a way consistent with the claim, and is likely made out of literal poured concrete), give us reasonably believable proof that one was downed by a patriot? And then somehow crashed and stayed intact on the ground despite traveling at supersonic speeds even after slowing down from its hypersonic cruising phase?

If Ukraine claimed that president zelensky borrowed the Joker's gun from the '89 Batman and shot down a MIG with it, we'd still have the AP and WaPo putting all their journalistic integrity to the test by laundering that propaganda.



Kinzhal aren't that special, their speed isn't that super great, the shot isn't that much of a fantastic exploit, but US & Ukraine would definitely hyper the news: it boosts US sales whiles destroying Russian credibility.
Along with AP & Bloomberg i will add Reuters: https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-downed-hypersonic-russian-095851045.html
Your sources are inferior and outdated.


Quote (Djunior @ 6 May 2023 11:26)
One year ago in the news:

https://i.imgur.com/J4PIsEr.jpg


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May 6 2023 05:58am
Quote (Ironfister @ May 6 2023 08:50am)
I dont know if the missile has data transmission to HQ 1000km away. Does it?

Even if it transmits information during flight, Russians could not know if it was shot down or simply malfunctioned. And if shot down - what shot it down. Where was the patriot placed. What and where detected the incoming missile.
Sometimes its better not to say anything, this way you dont risk giving out any information. Reduce the risk, this is the right policy.

Please stop the racist remarks, or I will report you to mods for being racist. I'm not surprised why you stick with Russia, bad racist villains stick together I guess. Do you have also hit on black people and other minorities?


It doesn't matter if it transmits or not, the Russians can see what they are attacking....hilariously ignorant.

Polish is not a race lmao
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May 6 2023 06:07am
Quote (Meanwhile @ May 6 2023 01:55pm)

#3Months clown


I got a point, you don't.

We're talking about shit propaganda, maybe you'd like to get some merch?

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