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Jul 21 2018 01:42am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 21 2018 10:52am)
Nah, create a system where suffering doesn't exist. By definition the best thing you could possibly do.


Yeah, read Genesis 1 and 2. You'll see that God created the world and that what he made was good. When God saw all that he made he saw that it was very good.

Then Adam and Eve decided to disobey God. That is known as The Fall which you can read in Genesis 3. However, you can focus more on Genesis 1 and 2.
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Yeah, read Genesis 1 and 2. You'll see that God created the world and that what he made was good. When God saw all that he made he saw that it was very good.

Then Adam and Eve decided to disobey God. That is known as The Fall which you can read in Genesis 3. However, you can focus more on Genesis 1 and 2.


God made adam and eve, any fault in them was a fault of his.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 21 2018 05:54pm)
God made adam and eve, any fault in them was a fault of his.


This is what I believe:

God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying.
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This is what I believe:

God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying.


God knows everything according to the bible, he knew man would be corrupted before he ever made adam.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 21 2018 12:21am)
God knows everything according to the bible, he knew man would be corrupted before he ever made adam.


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Quote (CPK001 @ Jul 21 2018 09:17am)
This is what I believe:

God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying.



‘Do what I say or suffer eternal fire’ sounds like a pretty poor parody of free will to me
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Jul 21 2018 07:58pm
Eve ate of the tree because satan tricked her, Adam ate from the tree knowing what would happen, but decided to fall because she fell.
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Eve ate of the tree because satan tricked her, Adam ate from the tree knowing what would happen, but decided to fall because she fell.



Some good walls can really mess with a man’s mind
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Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jul 21 2018 07:58pm)
Eve ate of the tree because satan tricked her, Adam ate from the tree knowing what would happen, but decided to fall because she fell.


It is not indicated by the bible that Satan was the snake in the garden.
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