No, but it will be used, overdramatized and the next attacks may be a false flag operations to sell future escalation for millions. My bet is someone notorious will be killed.

Right but I guess we're talking about more substantial drones to pull of this kind of attack.

Note that Putin was the target (if it's true and not a false flag) so the planners would most definitely use a capable drone.

People still defend aggressors here. Non-violent posturing is not an excuse for violence and will never be as such. But some people just want to feel special



And another doomsayer stirring shit up, waiting for his Nostradamus moment.

This post was edited by Neptunus on May 3 2023 07:04am

You can look up that information, it's well documented

It very well could be, but that would beg the question of whether Russia actually stands to gain from building additional casus belli at this point.
If Putin is desperate because he actually believes he could be killed, that could drive this into nuclear conflict. But for just geopolitical scheming, Russia is already overextended in an entrenched open war, they have no need to manufacture casus belli like the gulf of tonkin. So unless we're going to jump into Tom Clancyesque grand conspiracies about ultranationalist Russians staging a false flag to force Putin's hand, uh, I don't see the benefit. So my presumption is its a real attack and Ukraine is only denying responsibility because it failed.


Russia certainly has the means and willingness to engage in false flags, I just don't see the motive

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 3 2023 07:04am

No one is defending aggressors here you drone.

Stop trying to derail discussion and get back to building your fence Olavi

Oh but Ivan, the fence keeps the Euro refugees and the homos you despise away from Russia, too. Win-win.

My initial thought too but what Norlander said could be true (to justify a declaration of war / full mobilization)

A stadium full of people is the perfect aim. Cup of Russia finals for example

That much is plausible, if Russia follows this up with a suspiciously rapid call for full mobilization I'd probably retroactively figure its more likely false flag.



Russia says it was a double tap attack and this was the second of the two hits apparently
so much for claims about 'neutralizing' the drones. Kind of like how Gabby Giffords neutralized the gunman's bullets with her head