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Aug 27 2018 10:03pm
Quote (Horford @ 27 Aug 2018 21:27)
link please? I'd like to read that


Sure.

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Paul Manafort’s defense team held talks with prosecutors to resolve a second set of charges against the former Trump campaign chairman before he was convicted last week, but they didn’t reach a deal, and the two sides are now moving closer to a second trial next month, according to people familiar with the matter.

The plea discussions occurred as a Virginia jury was spending four days deliberating tax and bank fraud charges against Mr. Manafort, the people said. That jury convicted him on eight counts and deadlocked on 10 others. Prosecutors accused Mr. Manafort of avoiding taxes on more than $16 million he earned in the early 2010s through political consulting work in Ukraine.

The plea talks on the second set of charges stalled over issues raised by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, one of the people said. It isn’t clear what those issues were, and the proposed terms of the plea deal couldn’t immediately be determined.

Representatives for Messrs. Manafort and Mueller declined to comment.

The talks were aimed at forestalling a second, related trial for Mr. Manafort, which is scheduled to begin on Sept. 17 in Washington.

Prosecutors and defense lawyers have been arguing over how to describe that case to the jury and what evidence can be presented at trial. They are scheduled to discuss those issues at a hearing Tuesday morning before U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson.

Mr. Manafort faced two separate trials on related allegations in neighboring districts because he declined to let prosecutors combine the charges into one case. From a defense perspective, such a move can force prosecutors to fight two battles and divide resources.

The plea discussions on the Washington case represent a softening in posture for Mr. Manafort, who has fought charges brought by Mr. Mueller’s 15-month investigation longer and more aggressively than other defendants in the probe.

Three other former Trump campaign aides, including former Manafort business associate Richard Gates, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators and other crimes not core to Mr. Mueller’s mandate of examining Russian interference in the 2016 election. Twenty-five Russians have also been charged with hacking and other crimes. Moscow denies any election meddling.

The Virginia indictment charged Mr. Manafort with filing false tax returns between 2010 and 2014 and misleading multiple U.S. banks to obtain millions of dollars in loans in 2016, after his Ukraine income allegedly dried up.

Prosecutors have said the tax fraud charges against Mr. Manafort could result in a prison term of eight to 10 years, but some other tax-related sentences have fallen well below that.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis, who oversaw Mr. Manafort’s Virginia case, last year sentenced a retired business school professor to seven months after he pleaded guilty to hiding $220 million in foreign accounts and not paying $18 million in federal and state taxes.

Unlike Mr. Manafort, that defendant had previously paid a $100 million penalty to the U.S. Treasury and cooperated in the investigation.

After Mr. Manafort’s Virginia conviction last week, a juror said the vote on the other 10 counts was 11-1 in favor of conviction. The juror, a self-described Trump supporter, told Fox News the evidence was “overwhelming,” and that the other jurors had tried to convince the lone holdout to switch her vote.

Prosecutors have until Wednesday to report whether they plan to retry Mr. Manafort on the deadlocked counts. For now, both sides appear to be preparing for the Washington trial.

In that case, prosecutors accuse Mr. Manafort of not registering in the U.S. for his lobbying work for the Ukrainian government between 2008 and 2014, and of conspiring to launder millions of dollars in income from that work to hide it from U.S. authorities.

In June, prosecutors added charges accusing Mr. Manafort of trying to influence the testimony of potential witnesses. That prompted Judge Jackson to send Mr. Manafort to jail as he awaited trial.

In a filing late Friday, prosecutors said they expected to take 10 to 12 days to present their case. Last week they turned over to Mr. Manafort’s team more than 1,500 exhibits they plan to present.

Mr. Manafort’s attorneys said they weren’t sure if they would present a defense, but if they did, it could take three or four days. They said they were in the process of identifying expert witnesses who could testify on money-laundering and foreign-lobbying registration rules.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/manafort-sought-deal-in-next-trial-but-talks-broke-down-1535404819

WSJ's paywall can sometimes be tricky to navigate, so I posted the article here.
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Aug 27 2018 10:20pm
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WSJ is reporting that Manafort sought a deal with prosecutors in his DC case before he was convicted last week, but Mueller was hesitant due to some unknown reasons. Not sure what to make of any of it.


hmm, idk either
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Aug 28 2018 12:05am
Theres still more than 2 weeks before this trial, he didnt get his plea deal and we dont know why....
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Aug 29 2018 01:31pm
trump. lawyer resigned

White House Counsel Don McGahn will be leaving his position, President Donald Trump has announced, in the wake of revelations that he had sat for dozens of hours worth of interviews as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.
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Aug 29 2018 01:44pm
Quote (Horford @ Aug 27 2018 07:53pm)
The real reason why Trump hates Bruce Ohr:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/us/politics/bruce-ohr-trump-justice-department.html?


Looks like Rachel Maddow agrees with me:

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It has a Russian organized crime element to it. And now the president mulls pardoning Paul Manafort. As the president openly mulls firing the attorney general of the United States in the midst of the Manafort prosecution as a way to make the Russia investigation all go away, today, Republicans in Congress spent the entire day going after that justice department official I’ve been talking about. That specific official who started with the El Feo case and the drug gangs in the Bronx. Who rose to become the head of organized crime and racketeering at the justice department. Who became the Justice Department’s expert on Russian organized crime.

The guy who indicted the head of the Russian mafia
. The guy who became the Justice Department’s lead counsel for transnational organized crime and international affairs. The guy who had been part of the team banned Paul Manafort’s patron and business partner, Oleg Deripaska from doing business with the United States on his alleged ties to organized crime in Russia. That justice department official. That guy. Is named Bruce Ohr. And he is the object of conspiracy theories and condemnation on right-wing media on a 24-hour loop.

And today, pro trump Republican members of Congress summoned Bruce Ohr to testify behind closed doors before two Republican-led committees and then they immediately went out to the cameras to talk to report betters how Bruce Ohr was a liar and to accuse him of being the rot at the heart of the Mueller investigation and the Russia scandal more broadly. The “New York Times” this weekend profiled his long history in leading American law enforcement efforts against Russian organized crime. There is a Russian organized crime element to the Russia scandal. Today House Republicans literally came back early from summer vacation to spend the day trying to destroy Bruce Ohr. And today they are trying the take out one of America’s top experts on organized crime.

And I don’t know exactly what these targeted attacks by the White House and Congressional Republicans will ultimately do to the capabilities of the justice department and the FBI when it comes to fighting things like Russian intelligence operations in the United States and Russian organized crime and Russian money laundering through American real estate. But you can imagine how satisfying a day like today must have been for Semion Mogilevich. You can imagine how delightful that was for the Russian mafia. You can imagine how nice a day it must have been when viewed from the perspective of the Kremlin.
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Aug 29 2018 03:09pm
fsb & mafia are strongly tied.
it will be easy to link russian mafia with trump money laundering/fraud/or whatever loans or fiscal evasions



this is probably true

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 29 2018 03:12pm
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Aug 29 2018 03:17pm
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fsb & mafia are strongly tied so it will be easy to link russian mafia with trump money laundering.


I'm not sure about "easy", but they're most likely is a connection somewhere. one of manaforts goons, Konstantin Kilimnik, is believed to have ties with Russian Intelligence, which is linked to the Russian Mafia. And it's been known a while now that manafort received a $10 million loan from Oleg Deripaska, who is close to Putin. We also know New York properties are tied to Russian $. We also know Trump has business dealings/interests with Russia. How it all ties together though, i don't know.
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Aug 29 2018 03:17pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 29 2018 04:09pm)
fsb & mafia are strongly tied.
it will be easy to link russian mafia with trump money laundering/fraud/or whatever loans or fiscal evasions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDgO_5UOEnk

this is probably true


Collusion confirmed.

Thanks for clearing things up, Saucy! All of this work done from your mother's basement in France. Impressive!
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Aug 29 2018 03:20pm
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Quote (Horford @ Aug 29 2018 03:44pm)
Looks like Rachel Maddow agrees with me:




Funny, you seemed to miss this part of the NYTimes article you linked...

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Now he is a target of President Trump, who has put his security clearance under review and attacked him publicly, and allies. They have cast Mr. Ohr and his wife — who worked as a contractor at the same research firm that produced a damaging dossier of information about Mr. Trump — as villains, part of a pro-Clinton cabal out to destroy the president.
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Aug 29 2018 03:30pm
Quote (djman72 @ Aug 29 2018 04:17pm)
Collusion confirmed.

Thanks for clearing things up, Saucy! All of this work done from your mother's basement in France. Impressive!


This guy has done a metric shit ton of leg work in digging into the NYC and Russian mobs, and how Trump (and his father, and grandfather before him) have ties with the mob going back DECADES. All the way back to the early bootlegging days of Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky, and the global laundromat Lansky created.

https://twitter.com/LincolnsBible/status/956221993782796289
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