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Apr 30 2023 03:20pm
Quote (Norlander @ 30 Apr 2023 13:07)
Or become an overseer in a concentration camp. Should I mention that there were no such camps in Germany. They all were built up in Eastern Europe, ran by few nazis, but all the staff were local xenophobes, chauvinists and anti-Semites. There's nothing wrong with nationalism you once told us. This beliefs were used by nazis to involve Poland to Holocaust directly.


Dachau was in Germany.
Poland had 12 times more jewish people than France. Local transport is cheaper/easier.
Light Nationalism is still much better than imperialism and trying to enslave half of the world because you are the Empire and Empire grows and respects no borders.
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Apr 30 2023 03:29pm
Quote (Djunior @ 30 Apr 2023 23:08)
People like me use common sense. The West / NATO have been pushing this too far and the result is not pretty.

People like you support NATO expansion at all costs and now you pay a hefty price.

Totally opposite.
If the Ukraine was accepted in nato, there would be no war now.
Because Putin attacks only countries that are not in a defensive Alliance.
Its the reason why nato is necessary, because otherwise Putin takes countries one by one.
So the countries decided to make a defensive Block and said to Putin: we stick together, attack one and everybody will fight back.
Putin hates this very much. Like a devil hates the Saint water. He would very gladly attack countries and enslave nations one by one.
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May 1 2023 01:37am
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 30 2023 11:29pm)
Totally opposite.
If the Ukraine was accepted in nato, there would be no war now.
Because Putin attacks only countries that are not in a defensive Alliance.
Its the reason why nato is necessary, because otherwise Putin takes countries one by one.
So the countries decided to make a defensive Block and said to Putin: we stick together, attack one and everybody will fight back.
Putin hates this very much. Like a devil hates the Saint water. He would very gladly attack countries and enslave nations one by one.


Dude you've lost the plot. You're as mad as the Polish president
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Quote (Djunior @ 1 May 2023 09:37)
Dude you've lost the plot. You're as mad as the Polish president


Some simple facts:
-Russia promised Ukraine they won't attack them in Budapest deal
-yet they did
-Ukraine did nothing wrong, they only didnt want to go into Putin's slavery
-Russia is imperialistic with no respect to any borders or deals, as "empire has no borders and goes where it wants".

These 4 simple facts is enough to choose side to support.
But helping Ukraine is not only about being humanitarian.
If Russians defeat Ukraine, first of all Russia get 20million Ukrainian slaves/conscripts, to rebuild their war assault force.
the next country in line are Baltics, NATO members, which were part of the past USSR conquests, which Russia tries to rebuild.

What will happen when Russia attacks Baltics?
Option 1) NATO collapses as they won't really move to defend and will be as useless as UN
Option 2) NATO defends, and we spil American/German/French/Polish blood
Either is not a good perspective and means serious economical problems.
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 1 2023 10:24am)
Some simple facts:
-Russia promised Ukraine they won't attack them in Budapest deal
-yet they did
-Ukraine did nothing wrong, they only didnt want to go into Putin's slavery
-Russia is imperialistic with no respect to any borders or deals, as "empire has no borders and goes where it wants".

These 4 simple facts is enough to choose side to support.
But helping Ukraine is not only about being humanitarian.
If Russians defeat Ukraine, first of all Russia get 20million Ukrainian slaves/conscripts, to rebuild their war assault force.
the next country in line are Baltics, NATO members, which were part of the past USSR conquests, which Russia tries to rebuild.

What will happen when Russia attacks Baltics?
Option 1) NATO collapses as they won't really move to defend and will be as useless as UN
Option 2) NATO defends, and we spil American/German/French/Polish blood
Either is not a good perspective and means serious economical problems.


First of all, NATO is continuously expanding and Ukraine + Georgia were next on the list. Facts

More importantly you're contradicting yourself, look what you just said in your previous post. lol

Bolded for you:

Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 30 2023 11:29pm)
Totally opposite.
If the Ukraine was accepted in nato, there would be no war now.
Because Putin attacks only countries that are not in a defensive Alliance.

Its the reason why nato is necessary, because otherwise Putin takes countries one by one.
So the countries decided to make a defensive Block and said to Putin: we stick together, attack one and everybody will fight back.
Putin hates this very much. Like a devil hates the Saint water. He would very gladly attack countries and enslave nations one by one.


Seems to me that you're just parroting what mainstream media tells you, lol.

Do you ever think for yourself?

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May 1 2023 05:07am
Quote (Ironfister @ 1 May 2023 10:24)
Some simple facts:
-Russia promised Ukraine they won't attack them in Budapest deal
-yet they did
-Ukraine did nothing wrong, they only didnt want to go into Putin's slavery
-Russia is imperialistic with no respect to any borders or deals, as "empire has no borders and goes where it wants".


Yes and we can also add this simple wiki link explaining the major issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

=> How a country who

- Reversed serfdom with slavery in modern age
- Killed millions of its own people even in recent decades
- Didn't even experienced classic real democracy, justice, or equality

Can praise for a "better multipolar world" ...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on May 1 2023 05:12am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 1 2023 01:07pm)
Yes and we can also add this simple wiki link explaining the major issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

=> How a country who

- Reversed serfdom with slavery in modern age
- Killed millions of its own people even in recent decades
- Didn't even experienced classic real democracy, justice, or equality

Can praise for a "better multipolar world" ...


Aaaaand of course there are people that agree with Ironfister's bullshit

1) Ukraine must be NATO member because Russia will never attack NATO!!

Immediately followed by:

2) If Russia is not stopped right now then the Baltic states will be next!!

LMAO
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Quote (Djunior @ 1 May 2023 13:17)
Aaaaand of course there are people that agree with Ironfister's bullshit

1) Ukraine must be NATO member because Russia will never attack NATO!!

Immediately followed by:

2) If Russia is not stopped right now then the Baltic states will be next!!

LMAO


Russian is doing hybride warfare trying to undermine, destabilize, or simply destroy democracies in EU.
Victory of its illegal agression against Ukraine would give Russia a full open road for reinforcing and finishing the job it started:
Funding far right parties, bot farms, corruption & kompromat ... Russia aka Putin & associated elite is a direct threat.
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May 1 2023 07:00am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 1 May 2023 13:30)
Russian is doing hybride warfare trying to undermine, destabilize, or simply destroy democracies in EU.
Victory of its illegal agression against Ukraine would give Russia a full open road for reinforcing and finishing the job it started:
Funding far right parties, bot farms, corruption & kompromat ... Russia aka Putin & associated elite is a direct threat.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ May 1 2023 01:30pm)
Russian is doing hybride warfare trying to undermine, destabilize, or simply destroy democracies in EU.
Victory of its illegal agression against Ukraine would give Russia a full open road for reinforcing and finishing the job it started:
Funding far right parties, bot farms, corruption & kompromat ... Russia aka Putin & associated elite is a direct threat.


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