Thinking Russia already lost the war has proven to be a costly mistake.

And both NS1 and NS2 were sabotaged...

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 29 2023 09:33am

For sure like Ukrainians said: never underestimate the Russians.
1 mistake i made: The line which is still operable is not on NS1 but on NS2: There was 3 explosions on 4 lines.

Why sparing 1/4 line when you could blow them all and do you have any explanation for the presence of this russian submarine & support boat 4 days before the explosion ?
And i don't understand why US would take such a risk while Ukraine was successful in counter-attacking. On the other hand Russia would have had a reason to take this risk.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 29 2023 10:11am

Bottom line is that Russia controls the flow of gas, if they want to stop delivering gas they can, they've done that in the past for various reasons. They had no reason to blow up their own 10+ billion dollar project.

And like others said above, why did Denmark decide to not share their findings after the investigation and only now they present a picture of this Russian vessel? If they knew that something fishy was happening there, why didn't they properly monitor what was going on?

I mean, when a Russian boat or airplane or whatever is spotted, all eyes are on it and remain on it until it heads back to Russia...

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 29 2023 10:54am

Correction: Russia already HAD shut down the gas flow via Nord Stream 1 (NS2 never went online anyway) several weeks before the pipelines were blown up. At the time, they were trying to come up with increasingly absurd justifications for the throttling and later full shutdown of their gas shipment, stuff like "there is this one valve the size of a thumb, it's leaking and we can't possibly fix it, we're SO sorry!"

They made up these lazy excuses because they wanted to save face with customers in other parts of the world and keep up the illusion of being a "reliable supplier". Moreover, they were in clear violation of the gas contracts with Europe, which would have allowed Europe to sue them in international courts of arbitration, or to terminate the contracts (which were still running for another decade plus). So Russia actually had a strong incentive at the time to create a force majeur situation which would make it physically impossible for them to adhere to their contractual obligations.

I said it already: they wanted to divide free world alliance on the "who commited the sabotage" while keeping 1 line.
The Project was not 100% founded by Russia.
Why US would have take such a risk while Ukraine was getting back territories ? Russia would.
The submarine was here, and it's not because the info was released at least a month ago (maybe more?) that it is invalidated.

This is why it's very much acceptable to consider Russia blowed itself lol

Often we are considering the "who's benefiting from it ?" as a direct argument, thus we can face a problem if multiple parties can benefit from a specific situation.

What I can retain here is that when it is related to secret operation like a sabotage, at national level (and nations can hardly take risks), we can also add the "who's would take the risk and who would face the less repercussion if caught ?" factor.

That they shut down NS 1 exactly proves my point --> they're in control of the gas flow and could just shut it down.

Secondly the EU was throwing round after round of sanctions at Russia at that time and you're not going to tell me that the EU was worried about any contract obigations. Only when it came to stuff they needed from Russia the EU cared about contract obligations (the EU's usual double standards)

And of course everybody expected that Russia would hit back wherever they could after being sanctioned which would've meant shutting down NS, they had perfect reason for that and def didn't care about contract obligations, this simply is economic warfare (started by the EU).

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This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 29 2023 12:15pm

It's not. Shutting NS down would've accomplished the same thing, no more gas flowing through the pipelines.

(3rd time) This is why the sabotage has been done: to divide free world alliance, while keeping 1 line.

Free World Horde vs Free World Alliance