So according to you there was no uprising in the East of Ukraine? (because if 70% of Ukrainian didn't support that, it wouldn't be possible.)

Oh wait it happened, things don't add up

2+2=5 right sauceman?



Man if you gonna talk like that I'm outta here

NATO has been expanding for decades, it's history and cannot be denied.

Now you're claiming that it's all speculation what NATO will do when they declare (at official NATO summit) that Ukraine and Georgia are welcome? Come on dude

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 27 2023 02:10pm

This is honestly farcical, how do you expect us to believe that the US had no hand in the 2014 events in Ukraine ?



This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2023 02:14pm

go ahead and be out, i asked you a simple question of why Russia fears nato expansion when they have 1000 nukes and cant be toppled, you have a lame black sea excuse straight from Putin's propaganda playbook mixed in with the ethnic russian b.s.

that not an inch east excuse has been debunked by me a few times and u keep using it like a crutch lol. just like daddy putin wants. people trying to read into constantly changing international diplomacy arraignments is exactly what he wants lol and you've eaten it whole.

russia had years to modernize it's economy, and post cold war they didn't. they have the same war/fuel economy they had when the czars were in power. why? because its easier to send peasants into mines and wage war with their flesh than it is to actually build a real economy. then an international group of countries want security against the war barons and they cry victim LOL. pathetic.



i didnt say that, learn to read. also quote me pal or dont respond

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 27 2023 02:16pm

Zelensky (green): 72+ %



Weird hu ? So who is speaking what ? Forget it: People are not that stupid and they know real democracy is better anyway.
And so on: 10 or 15% have corrupted business or position so they prefer things to not change: are you supporting this spirit ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 27 2023 02:16pm

there! thats what you said!
sorry for not quoting you snipa.

this is all old ground i am amazed we are going over all this yet again.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2023 02:20pm

that we were "involved" is confirmed. what we did is not only not confirmed it's not even speculated on with detail.

did we send in 5,000 mercenaries armed to the teeth dressed as civilians to incite the revolution?

did we just give the groups their intel? did we give them riot shields?

the entire revolution was carried out by predominately unarmed protesters wearing helmets and shields, burning and physically taking building by building while snipers picked them off.

so how is it this couldn't/wouldn't have happened without the US's "involvement"? and what even was that "involvement"? no one knows here in pard, the CIA knows, we'd be in jail if we knew.



that's what happens with low IQ posters build a house on sand and use "the revolution was the US's fault" or "nato said not one inch east" as base justifications of Putin's aggression. fallacies can't also be logical.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 27 2023 02:23pm

Do you believe that the US wanted a pro European/American Government in Ukraine? Do you believe that they played a hand in arranging that. These are Yes/No Questions. Now you can call me a low IQ poster all you want but your argument is very weak here when noting all of the evidence supports the position that the US has backs coups in countries (democratic or otherwise) for a very long time, and I find it incredible that you are suggesting they played no hand in the 2014 coup.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2023 02:29pm

As the first sentence in my post seems to illustrate, yes.

my turn:

do you believe after the EU trade talks were ended by the Pro-Russian president of Ukraine, starting the protests, that the country would have fallen to the pro-Western side even if the USA did literally nothing? yes/no?

for the record, i wasn't calling you low IQ.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 27 2023 02:29pm

yes.

and thats what should have happened eventually. speeding up the process was just so monumentally stupid. its like a united ireland, do it in 20 years and everyone is fine, do it in 2 years and we are going to have bombings up and down the country.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2023 02:30pm

then what is the significance of US involvement? why is it such a crucial talking point?

we shot a dying man, on that we both agree, but we dont know where we shot him or how big the bullet was. so why is it so crucial?



how much did we speed it up? neither of us have even the start of an idea. stating it as fact isnt good debate.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 27 2023 02:31pm