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Apr 27 2023 01:48pm
That's just me or he posted 2010 elections results instead of 2019 ? ^_^
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Apr 27 2023 01:52pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 27 2023 09:48pm)
That's just me or he posted 2010 elections results instead of 2019 ? ^_^


Asked Google, here, from a news outlet that you trust:

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Apr 27 2023 01:54pm
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I think you know the answer. Crimea has been Russian until 1954, it was given to Ukraine to celebrate their 300th anniversary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

Savastopol is Russia's year round ice free port home to their Black Sea fleet.

The East of Ukraine (South-East to be precise including Crimea) is home to a large ethnic Russian minority and they, in fact, are pro-Russian

https://i.imgur.com/hMO6eh4.jpg


so where were the negotiations post-Euromaiden revolution to maintain access to the region? lacking that where were the offers to straight up buy it back? given the costs so far it would have been cheaper.

but that wouldn't be russian, when you have too many peasants and too many weapons you dont negotiate, you just throw flesh into a meat grinder to try and take it. that's been the russian way for hundreds of years.

christ for this amount of money they could have had an entire fleet of ice breakers to clear Black Sea routes from their own land and build a harbor too. but again, why spend money or try diplomacy when you have too many guns and mouths to feed?
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Apr 27 2023 01:56pm
Quote (Djunior @ 27 Apr 2023 22:52)
Asked Google, here, from a news outlet that you trust:

https://i.imgur.com/P4y2ht1.jpg


Okay, Google: Vladimir Solovyov Benito Mussolini movie
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 27 2023 09:54pm)
so where were the negotiations post-Euromaiden revolution to maintain access to the region? lacking that where were the offers to straight up buy it back? given the costs so far it would have been cheaper.

but that wouldn't be russian, when you have too many peasants and too many weapons you dont negotiate, you just throw flesh into a meat grinder to try and take it. that's been the russian way for hundreds of years.

christ for this amount of money they could have had an entire fleet of ice breakers to clear Black Sea routes from their own land and build a harbor too. but again, why spend money or try diplomacy when you have too many guns and mouths to feed?


After 2008 and Euromaidan, where were the negotiations? I think the question should be why NATO is pressing on despite all warnings.

And yes like I said above, the costs are enormous, and counting. The costs for the EU alone is likely running in the trillions when you add it all up, inflation, last year's energy crisis, Ukrainian refugees, and so on.

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Apr 27 2023 01:59pm
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 27 2023 09:56pm)
Okay, Google: Vladimir Solovyov Benito Mussolini movie


Not a fan of Mussolini sorry
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Apr 27 2023 02:01pm
Neither am I, but the Kremlim propagandist clearly is.
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Quote (Djunior @ 27 Apr 2023 21:52)
Asked Google, here, from a news outlet that you trust:

https://i.imgur.com/P4y2ht1.jpg


Do you have an idea of the % of Ukrainians who are supporting to fight against Putin's regime ?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx

LOL

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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 27 2023 02:58pm)
After 2008 and Euromaidan, where were the negotiations? I think the question should be why NATO is pressing on despite all warnings.

And yes like I said above, the costs are enormous, and counting. The costs for the EU alone is likely running in the trillions when you add it all up, inflation, last year's energy crisis, Ukrainian refugees, and so on.


what "NATO did" is a matter of speculation, what Russia has done is a matter of fact.

everyone on your side assumes the US was instrumental to the Ukrainian revolution, that hasn't been proved and i havent even seen any evidence of what we did or provided. its all just speculation.

we know anti-russian politics were gaining in Ukraine without the USA doing much of anything, and it has been since Ukraine's first presidential election. then out of no where the trade talks with the west disappeared, and under a month later the pro-russian govt is in exile.

Putin squashed EU trade talks, why did he do that? shouldn't he have known that it would result in his puppet getting ousted? oh, that's right, only the NATO are rational enough to blame. Russia is just a bit dumb bunch of blood hungry warmongers and the US should have known better then make them mad.

also, if NATO lets Russia sweep ukraine we still sanction their fuel. that cost is baked in.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 27 2023 02:05pm
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Do you have an idea of the % of Ukrainians who are supporting to fight against Putin's regime ?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx

LOL

https://i.imgur.com/13c1DT4.png


Very nationalist. As the US said, the US will continue to support Ukraine while Ukraine wants to continue defending against the Russian invasion.



This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 27 2023 02:06pm
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