Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 25 2018 03:40am)

it's almost like Trump has multiple governors that dislike him and would instantly bring charges on a state level if and when trump pardons them on the federal level.

now please tell me again that double jeopardy counts in 2 different jurisdictions (state and federal) so i can have another good laugh at your legal ignorance. double jeopardy counts only for the same jurisdiction, not 2 different ones, like the federal and state system. thus Trump only being able to pardon in ONE and the 50 governors having the power to pardon in the 50 other jurisdictions.

go ahead and deny that governors would charge manafort to get him, there's about 20 with overt political motivations that would do it just to fuck up trump. they wont bother charging manafort unless he's pardoned, its beating a dead horse.

post that pic again genius, but this time in the mirror.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 24 2018 02:29pm)

and you think that anyone tried federal before would be grandfathered in if the loophole closes? or are you just leaning on a single state in order to make your case?

how do you feel the USSC would rule on a loophole the state intends to remove that is unconstitutional? because we all know they dont look at that wrinkly old piece of paper for direct contradictions.

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"New York’s double jeopardy laws go well beyond constitutional requirements and the standards used by many other states – and could unintentionally insulate someone pardoned by the president from subsequent prosecution for related state crimes," spokesperson Amy Spitalnick of the New York State Attorney General's office said.

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 25 2018 01:20am)

Dude, honestly, I'm getting tired of proving you wrong.



"go well beyond constitutional requirements" does NOT mean unconstitutional.


LMK when you come back to reality. You're just making up crap now. :/

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Federal double jeopardy law would not be an issue here. The doctrine of dual sovereignty allows the federal and state governments to prosecute the same crimes. The problem is that many states broaden double jeopardy protections to prevent the bringing of state charges after a federal prosecution. I’ve explained in Slate that New York and Pennsylvania have such a rule. It turns out that Virginia and California do, too. But because of some likely combination of prosecutorial skill and luck, Manafort still faces prosecutions in those states, plus perhaps Illinois and others.

Let’s first focus on just the crimes for which Manafort has already been tried. This week, he was convicted of five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of failing to report a foreign bank account. In New York and Virginia, where he held residences, double jeopardy laws prevent him from being charged for the exact same crimes. But state tax fraud is a distinct crime, one which he almost certainly also committed. When one fraudulently hides income from the federal government, one has to hide that same income fraudulently in state tax returns in order to avoid incriminating inconsistencies.

Virginia’s double jeopardy statute bars secondary state prosecutions for committing “the same act” in “violation of both a state and a federal statute.” Filing a state tax return, though, is a separate act from filing a federal return. So filing an unlawful state tax return in Virginia would be separate, prosecutable act from Manafort’s federal filing, one that cannot be pardoned by Trump. The Virginia tax law further covers fraud, and a Virginia return that replicated his federal one would contain the same fraudulent material as his federal return

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 25 2018 04:20pm)

Dude, honestly, I'm getting tired of proving you wrong.



"go well beyond constitutional requirements" does NOT mean unconstitutional.


LMK when you come back to reality. You're just making up crap now. :/

Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 25 2018 01:33am)

New york is one state, at least 5 states are involved.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 25 2018 01:33am)

New york is one state, at least 5 states are involved.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 25 2018 01:38am)

Why is he defending manafort though?