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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 26 2023 06:19pm)
I am 15% through reading Fukuyama's political order and political decay
It gave a lot of insight as to why countries failed when slapped with democracy straightaway.


Iran was going fine with democracy, but then they were couped by the US.
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Your boys replaced a democracy and installed a cracy dictator that would imprision/torture/kill anyone he wanted.

Be honest, are brown-ish people not "good" enough for self-determination?


"your boys" ? check yourself with a doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahlavi_Iran

If your guys like time travel with Iran saying "it's US fault": Can't imagine the mess if it was allied with Soviets Gulag champions.
Low and stupid.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 26 2023 05:11pm)
Oh sheeeeeeeeeeettttt.......

^Malopox, ^ferdia, ^djunior, ^dizzybusiness, ^ownyaah

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état , was the U.S.- and UK-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on 19 August 1953.[5] It was aided by the United States ("Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot").


Yes but that was in the past and therefore has no bearing on the present, apparently, according to some ignorant people.
my contribution : https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/1979-iran-and-america/

brookings.edu is an american think tank. read before moderating thanks.
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Quote (ownyaah @ 27 Apr 2023 00:20)
Iran was going fine with democracy, but then they were couped by the US.


yup, as compared to certain countries i.e Sub Sahara Africa , Middle East and some countries in South East Asia.
You need to have a already stable or previously stable institution and government and bureaucracy that have existed before to even have a chance to transit into a democracy or liberal democracy.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 06:20pm)
"your boys" ? check yourself with a doctor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahlavi_Iran

If your guys like time travel with Iran saying "it's US fault": Can't imagine the mess if it was allied with Soviets Gulag champions.
Low and stupid.


your confusing things you have no knowledge about, 1953 democracy run ended by US machination.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 26 2023 06:24pm)
yup, as compared to certain countries i.e Sub Sahara Africa , Middle East and some countries in South East Asia.
You need to have a already stable or previously stable institution and government and bureaucracy that have existed before to even have a chance to transit into a democracy or liberal democracy.


more or less

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Quote (ferdia @ 27 Apr 2023 00:22)
Yes but that was in the past and therefore has no bearing on the present, apparently, according to some ignorant people.
my contribution : https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/1979-iran-and-america/

brookings.edu is an american think tank. read before moderating thanks.


brookings , Hudson institution etc etc are part of the current conservative think tank in USA.

You do realize that United States take a missionary position when spreading their values. They do it with fervor and at times with militant fervor.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 26 2023 05:26pm)
brookings , Hudson institution etc etc are part of the current conservative think tank in USA.

You do realize that United States take a missionary position when spreading their values. They do it with fervor.


If you read the article it encapsulates US foreign policy whereby they have literally no respect for other cultures. bear in mind this is an American Think Tank. They literally cannot fathom what went wrong.

History tends to repeat itself when you do the same thing in other parts of the world yet expect a different outcome.

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Quote (ownyaah @ 26 Apr 2023 18:24)
your confusing things you have no knowledge about, 1953 democracy run ended by US machination.


Can't be more confused that a clown who mixed Iraq with Ukraine anyway.


Following the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, which was backed by the United Kingdom and the United States, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule became more autocratic and firmly aligned with the Western Bloc during the Cold War. In correspondence with this reorientation of Iran's foreign policy, the country became an ally of the United States in order to act as a bulwark against Soviet ideological expansionism, and this gave the Shah the political capital to enact a hitherto unprecedented socio-economic program that would transform all aspects of Iranian life through the White Revolution. Consequently, Iran experienced prodigious success in all indicators, including literacy, health, and standard of living.

=> There's no reason to criticize actions, do you have an idea of what USSR was doing at that time ? in 1953 ? Seems not.

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Iran was going fine with democracy, but then they were couped by the US.


US helped out their British buddies secure energy resources by installing Shah who signed off on creation of BP Plc
which pumped oil to benefit the British mostly.

First thing ayatollah did was nationalize oil. US didn’t like that and tried to use Saddam to kick ayatollah out but he didn’t succeed and became a “bad guy”.

Am I getting this right or am i simplifying things too much.

This post was edited by Malopox on Apr 26 2023 10:30am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 06:17pm)
iran 1970

https://the-generation.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/iranian-women1.jpg

Thus it's better to try to change things than being a CUCK doing nothing...
The do-nothing are always right.


Imagine saying that while the Iranian regime shoots demonstrators using French made shotgun shells
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