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Apr 26 2023 07:20am
Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 16:07)
Meanwhile has linked a wiki page, and quoted that wiki page, relating to the terms "Ruscism, also known as Rashism, Russism, or Russian fascism". The "scholars, politicians and publicists" he refers to are linked in the appendix of that wiki page in an article the title of which includes "Russia...accusing them of being nationalists" when it is obvious to anyone that Ukraine is in fact, ultra nationalist. The article then proceeds to break one of the basic principals of the internet - it compares something (Russia) against Nazi Germany. I dont think there are alot of "scholars, politicians and publicists" in evidence in that article, it is utter propaganda.

If anyone wants to have their mind warped, then i recommend you read the first link in the appendix of the wiki he posted above. Here is the closing paragraph:

"Military defeat will crash putin’s Nazi regime. Unfortunately, today Ukrainians continue to pay for this with their lives. However, it’s important to discuss today what will happen after Russia’s defeat. Denazification of Germany was performed by the allies in many spheres – legal, cultural, media, economic etc. Denazification of the USSR was never implemented – on the contrary, the Soviet Union was allowed to have Central and Eastern Europe as its sphere of influence. Putin’s russia now aspires to return this impact sphere. And it will not abandon its aspirations until it is fully demilitarized and denazified."

imagine reading an essay of that.

moving on:

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he and Chinese leader Xi Jinping had a “long and meaningful” phone conversation Wednesday, their first known contact since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine more than a year ago. The phone call, which official said lasted nearly an hour, is a significant development in efforts to resolve the conflict. It comes two months after Beijing, which has long been aligned with Russia, said it wanted to act as a peace mediator in the war against Ukraine and after Xi visited Moscow last month.

“I believe that this call, as well as the appointment of Ukraine’s ambassador to China, will give a powerful impetus to the development of our bilateral relations,” Zelenskyy said in a Facebook post without elaborating. Ukraine’s presidential office said more details of what was said would be published later in the day. In China, the phone call was reported by state media. China Central Television said Beijing intends to send an envoy to Kyiv to discuss “a political settlement” for the war. Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova commended China’s approach but was scathing about Ukraine’s stance.


A contribution, belated but a contribution. I mean Meanwhile's post.
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Apr 26 2023 07:36am
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 26 2023 02:20pm)
A contribution, belated but a contribution. I mean Meanwhile's post.


Imagine if China manages to create a peace deal though. the public relations win would put them into the stratosphere.
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Apr 26 2023 07:39am
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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he and Chinese leader Xi Jinping had a “long and meaningful” phone conversation Wednesday, their first known contact since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine more than a year ago. The phone call, which official said lasted nearly an hour, is a significant development in efforts to resolve the conflict. It comes two months after Beijing, which has long been aligned with Russia, said it wanted to act as a peace mediator in the war against Ukraine and after Xi visited Moscow last month.

“I believe that this call, as well as the appointment of Ukraine’s ambassador to China, will give a powerful impetus to the development of our bilateral relations,” Zelenskyy said in a Facebook post without elaborating. Ukraine’s presidential office said more details of what was said would be published later in the day. In China, the phone call was reported by state media. China Central Television said Beijing intends to send an envoy to Kyiv to discuss “a political settlement” for the war. Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova commended China’s approach but was scathing about Ukraine’s stance.


Volodymyr Zelensky announces the appointment of a former minister as ambassador to China.

Moving forward publicly with CCP is the best option for Ukraine. Especially if CCP starts to sell/deliver mass weapons, ammunitions, or essential components to Russia.Will be the best way to expose them.
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Apr 26 2023 07:41am
Quote (Pisior @ Apr 25 2023 06:27pm)
Ukraine is 100% controled by mafia . And Biden's son got link with them.


In what way does your post address mine?
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Apr 26 2023 07:44am
Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 16:36)
Imagine if China manages to create a peace deal though. the public relations win would put them into the stratosphere.


They may say whatever they please but they are the only* beneficiary of this conflict to be prolonged as much as possible.

* for stars and stripes
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Apr 26 2023 08:06am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 26 2023 03:07pm)
Meanwhile has linked a wiki page, and quoted that wiki page, relating to the terms "Ruscism, also known as Rashism, Russism, or Russian fascism". The "scholars, politicians and publicists" he refers to are linked in the appendix of that wiki page in an article the title of which includes "Russia...accusing them of being nationalists" when it is obvious to anyone that Ukraine is in fact, ultra nationalist. The article then proceeds to break one of the basic principals of the internet - it compares something (Russia) against Nazi Germany. I dont think there are alot of "scholars, politicians and publicists" in evidence in that article, it is utter propaganda.

If anyone wants to have their mind warped, then i recommend you read the first link in the appendix of the wiki he posted above. Here is the closing paragraph:

"Military defeat will crash putin’s Nazi regime. Unfortunately, today Ukrainians continue to pay for this with their lives. However, it’s important to discuss today what will happen after Russia’s defeat. Denazification of Germany was performed by the allies in many spheres – legal, cultural, media, economic etc. Denazification of the USSR was never implemented – on the contrary, the Soviet Union was allowed to have Central and Eastern Europe as its sphere of influence. Putin’s russia now aspires to return this impact sphere. And it will not abandon its aspirations until it is fully demilitarized and denazified."

imagine reading an essay of that.

moving on:

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he and Chinese leader Xi Jinping had a “long and meaningful” phone conversation Wednesday, their first known contact since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine more than a year ago. The phone call, which official said lasted nearly an hour, is a significant development in efforts to resolve the conflict. It comes two months after Beijing, which has long been aligned with Russia, said it wanted to act as a peace mediator in the war against Ukraine and after Xi visited Moscow last month.

“I believe that this call, as well as the appointment of Ukraine’s ambassador to China, will give a powerful impetus to the development of our bilateral relations,” Zelenskyy said in a Facebook post without elaborating. Ukraine’s presidential office said more details of what was said would be published later in the day. In China, the phone call was reported by state media. China Central Television said Beijing intends to send an envoy to Kyiv to discuss “a political settlement” for the war. Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova commended China’s approach but was scathing about Ukraine’s stance.


What really strikes me is that I post evidence of Western MSM reporting on Ukrainian far right movements before the war and tries to counter that by saying:

Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 02:14pm)
You owned yourself so badly: forced to link a 5 years old video on 1 training camp


While my argument is literally that all Western MSM reported on that before the war and I can link a ton of proof if needed (LMK).

This once again shows it's literally impossible to debate with him in good faith.

By the way this BBC news vid I posted earlier was uploaded 9 years ago and talks about Ukrainian ultra nationalists honoring Stepan Bandera every year (lol)


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Apr 26 2023 08:15am
Quote (Djunior @ 26 Apr 2023 16:06)
What really strikes me is that I post evidence of Western MSM reporting on Ukrainian far right movements before the war and ^Meanwhile tries to counter that by saying:



While my argument is literally that all Western MSM reported on that before the war and I can link a ton of proof if needed (LMK).

This once again shows it's literally impossible to debate with him in good faith.

By the way this BBC news vid I posted earlier was uploaded 9 years ago and talks about Ukrainian ultra nationalists honoring Stepan Bandera every year (lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism



:rofl:

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 26 2023 08:15am
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Apr 26 2023 08:18am
Russian March, 2011. White, yellow and black flags of Russian Empire and Alexei Navalny @7:50 Slava Rossii (Glory to Russia).



Quote (Meanwhile @ 26 Apr 2023 17:15)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT5cHXd1VxY

:rofl:


Incorrect, rɐˈʂɨzm

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 26 2023 08:22am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 03:39pm)
Volodymyr Zelensky announces the appointment of a former minister as ambassador to China.

Moving forward publicly with CCP is the best option for Ukraine. Especially if CCP starts to sell/deliver mass weapons, ammunitions, or essential components to Russia.Will be the best way to expose them.


Ahahaha :lol:

And remember this one:

Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2023 05:05pm)
It's HILARIOUS, the guy is an insane CLOWN is a CCP prostitute loool


You know who's a real CCP prostitute right?

:rofl:

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Apr 26 2023 08:19am
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 26 2023 03:18pm)
Russian March, 2011. White, yellow and black flags of Russian Empire and Alexei Navalny @7:50 Slava Rossii (Glory to Russia).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYMbYwL8sQA


There is a new video of Navalny on Reuters afaik (i cant remember, i was reading several sites this morning).

also, to be clear I see nothing wrong with France shaking hands with China.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 26 2023 08:20am
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