Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 09:24)

He does not watch video's remember. Is there not some article you can post ? i thought the US had that crowd on the terror watch list, but I can only see that they didnt fund them.
im reading this from stanford at the moment: https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion
and ofc this : https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/
one of these links is stanford, the other link is thehill, both of which are based in the US and AFAIK they should be OK to post. hopefully.

Quote (Djunior @ 26 Apr 2023 09:31)

That explains a lot, if he refuses to look at sources then it's hopeless to engage with him in this topic.
I've posted that stuff many times in this topic, Ukrainian far right children's summer camps where they teach kids to take Ak47s apart and all that.
All MSM outlets reported on that before the war but he just deflects / derails / denies and shit posts.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 10:35am)

"he" "he" "he" .... :rofl:

After the discovery of the Bucha massacre following the end of the Battle of Kyiv, Russia and Russian media offered multiple contradictory explanations, in an approach disinformation experts called a “scattershot approach”. In one of these narratives, Russian media claimed people associated with Azov and/or Azov fighters killed anyone not wearing a pro-Ukrainian blue ribbon after Russian troops left.[321][322] International media have disproved this timeline using other evidence.

Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 09:38)

I am not refuting this.

Ultimately you made a statement (Post 26002), you then retracted your statement, and have indicated you dont want to have a debate relating to your original statement, so I will go away now and have a nice day. I hope you have a nice day too!

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Deeply deplores the decision by the outgoing President of Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, posthumously to award Stepan Bandera, a leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) which collaborated with Nazi Germany, the title of ‘National Hero of Ukraine’; hopes, in this regard, that the new Ukrainian leadership will reconsider such decisions and will maintain its commitment to European values;

Quote (Malopox @ Apr 26 2023 11:18am)

I think we can all safely agree here that Ukraine has had a rise of extreme far right nationalism which has gone unchecked by the authorities. Both US, EU and Russian media has written about it extensively. The problem lies not so much as them getting votes - but rather them permeating security forces / society and getting away with hate crimes while Ukraine routinely opposes to condem Nazism.

Here is a premier US military academy Westpoint doing a deep dive in the peculiar commingling of American and Ukranian neoNazis in 2020 (prior to invasion).

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-nexus-between-far-right-extremists-in-the-united-states-and-ukraine/

Here is EU Parliament condemning eg Ukraine glorifying Stepan Bandera as this goes against European Values Ukrainians aspire to.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-7-2010-0035_EN.html


A valid question would be what to do about it. Russia claims that far right movement has gone so far in Ukraine that government is no longer in control as democratically elected president Zelensky is not able to effectively reign in extrajudicial killings by eg Azov and the likes - and therefore used that as a pretext to invade Ukraine and grab some land. Coupled with US coup d etat which replaced another democratically elected president this poses a question about sovereignty of Ukraine as a country although this is not up to me to decide.

It seems to me ^Meanwhile aspires to associate himself with this kind which I find deeply deplorable. Considering he continues to refuse to contribute to meaningful debates in this topic I don’t understand why people like ^ferdia continue to entertain his trolling attempts.

Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 11:32)

I would point out that I called out his shenanigans this morning, above. I hope you accept that he did flame me. Finally while you believe that this war is complex, the narrative in western politic's is "unprovoked attack" "russian war crimes etc", therefore when noting alot of meanwhile's themes conform to this political position, it is not safe to sanction meanwhile's voice. In sanctioning his voice we would be no better then MSM that has done the same to people and ideas that are inconvenient.

Quote (Malopox @ Apr 26 2023 11:46am)

It’s not about silencing. We already lost ^prox1m1ty from pro-NATO camp as he is in a timeout. It’s more about being able to meaningfully engage. He continues to dodge arguments and just post some wierd stuff he finds in the internet.

We need more people that can and are willing to engage in a debate rather than shitposting.