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Apr 26 2023 02:58am
Quote (Djunior @ 26 Apr 2023 08:47)
Before the war all MSM outlets reported on problematic far right movements in Ukraine.

Nowadays NATO bots like ^Meanwhile will call that "Off-topic cherry-picked to deflect the illegal agression of Ukraine" or some similar shit in his completely broken English.

Same applies to that UN vote obviously.


Quote (Djunior @ 26 Apr 2023 08:48)
Why don't you GTFO of this topic with your trash posts.

You contribute NOTHING


It has been proven that Ukraine does not has more far right than Russia or U.S, posted here: maps with % far right vote.
In the same way you can clearly read it in the wikipedia that:
- Russia using far right militia in occupied territories.
- Ukraine had some azov military body which was largely dismantled.


Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 08:48)
So to be clear: you made a statement, someone asked you to clarify, I interjected to suggest what you meant, you then deleted your original message, and then flamed me. It is actions like this which support the notion that you act in bad faith.

Also the expression "give me some string here" refers to giving myself string to hang myself. Noting you deleted your original message my post is now out of context. to paraphrase, meanwhile had stated that using the UN Resolution was out of context and cherry picked to suit a narrative. I therefore invited him to provide examples to support his position, whereupon he deleted his original message and flamed. sad. *shakes his head in disbelief*.

I guess if the CIA can magic away all the evidence of what they did in Ukraine, a user can delete his post and call foul.


Your dishonesty has no limits: i deleted my post because it gives you ground to continue to argue about Russian resolution whch has nothing to do with Ukraine aggression.
But you continue to circle jerk on it. You don't deserve ground for this.
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Apr 26 2023 02:59am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 09:58am)
It has been proven that Ukraine does not has more far right than Russia or U.S, posted here: maps with % far right vote.
In the same way you can clearly read it in the wikipedia that:
- Russia using far right militia in occupied territories.
- Ukraine had some azov military body which was largely dismantled.




Your dishonesty has no limits: i deleted my post because it gives you ground to continue to argue about Russian resolution whch has nothing to do with Ukraine aggression.
But you continue to circle jerk on it. You don't deserve ground for this.


YOU have repeatedly posted that UN Resolution you are so fond of. Another user posted a rebuttal UN Resolution. YOU cried foul, I suggested you use another Resolution to prove your point, YOU deleted your message and cried foul/flamed against me. Those are facts.

its fine, *I* will try to do your homework for you and find resolutions to support your argument.

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Apr 26 2023 03:04am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 10:58am)
It has been proven that Ukraine does not has more far right than Russia or U.S, posted here: maps with % far right vote.
In the same way you can clearly read it in the wikipedia that:
- Russia using far right militia in occupied territories.
- Ukraine had some azov military body which was largely dismantled.


Liar

There are many far right movements in Ukraine.

Azov is not dismantled, flags and emblems still pop up frequently in footage.


And deleting your posts won't help you, we all know you're a fraud

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Quote (ferdia @ 26 Apr 2023 08:59)
YOU have repeatedly posted that UN Resolution you are so fond of. Another user posted a rebuttal UN Resolution. YOU cried foul, I suggested you use another Resolution to prove your point, YOU deleted your message and cried foul against me. Those are facts.


1. I posted results of UN vote on RUSSIAN AGGRESSION OF UKRAINE
2. You are circle jerking on a posture, political, resolution which is NOT related with RUSSIAN AGGRESSION OF UKRAINE
3. I decided not giving you more ground on this sad diversion. Today crimes are done against the Ukrainian people.
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Apr 26 2023 03:13am
Lol guys are still at it. Takes 2-3 days to note there is no willingness to reconcile views, just people repeating shit ad nauseam.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 10:07am)
1. I posted results of UN vote on RUSSIAN AGGRESSION OF UKRAINE
2. You are circle jerking on a posture, political, resolution which is NOT related with RUSSIAN AGGRESSION OF UKRAINE
3. I decided not giving you more ground on this sad diversion. Today crimes are done against the Ukrainian people.


You have repeatedly reminded us that there is a UN Resolution, which shows that, overwhelmingly, the world condemns Russia's attack on Ukraine. I am not sure what purpose this serves, as everyone in the topic is agreement on this point, we all condemn the attack on Ukraine. I wont even mention the mitigating circumstances or contributing factors, I simply condemn the invasion. Also, I am not circle jerking, you refuted someones argument, without proof/evidence, you were asked to support your argument, you declined.

The UN Security council has a right of veto. Public votes without the permanent members unanimous approval, are nonbinding. As a consequence permanent members vote in their own self interests while the rest of the world condemns these self interests. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example of how one permanent member veto's the vote to serve its own interests. It does not take long to find similar instances where other permanent members, for their own selfish self interest reasons have also veto'd votes. Does this make Russia's argument just ? no. We are merely highlighting that double standards at the UN is glaringly evident.

There should be a mechanism whereby the UN can deal with permanent members use their veto to perpetuate bad things. But there is not. so here we are.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 26 2023 03:35am
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Apr 26 2023 03:18am
Quote (Djunior @ 26 Apr 2023 09:04)
Liar

There are many far right movements in Ukraine.

Azov is not dismantled, flags and emblems still pop up frequently in footage.


And deleting your posts won't help you, we all know you're a fraud


You are lying:

- It has been posted here, in this topic: maps with % far right vote per country in EU. I think far right did few % in Ukraine parliament. Below all others.

- Azov bataillon has been largely used by Russian propaganda: because you are clearly supporting Putin's regime:
After the discovery of the Bucha massacre following the end of the Battle of Kyiv, Russia and Russian media offered multiple contradictory explanations, in an approach disinformation experts called a “scattershot approach”. In one of these narratives, Russian media claimed people associated with Azov and/or Azov fighters killed anyone not wearing a pro-Ukrainian blue ribbon after Russian troops left.

NB: it has not be dismantled, i used the wrong word: its controversial elements have been largely removed
wikipedia:
"by the end of 2014, most far-right fighters left the regiment. The rest of the right-wing radicals who openly articulated their views were deliberately “cleansed” by the new regiment command in 2017" and that several Jewish members (including one Israeli citizen) are currently serving in the regiment.



- Russia used and is using Far right militias in occupied territories.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 26 2023 11:18am)
You are lying:

- It has been posted here, in this topic: maps with % far right vote per country in EU. I think far right did few % in Ukraine parliament. Below all others.

- Azov bataillon has been largely used by Ras propaganda: because you are clearly supporting Putin's regime:
After the discovery of the Bucha massacre following the end of the Battle of Kyiv, Russia and Russian media offered multiple contradictory explanations, in an approach disinformation experts called a “scattershot approach”. In one of these narratives, Russian media claimed people associated with Azov and/or Azov fighters killed anyone not wearing a pro-Ukrainian blue ribbon after Russian troops left.

- Russia used and is using Far right militias in occupied territories.


GTFO with your lies.

Google "far right movements in Ukraine" and see how many hits you get, lol

This is BBC news 9 years ago ^_^

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Apr 26 2023 03:24am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 26 2023 10:23am)
GTFO with your lies.

Google "far right movements in Ukraine" and see how many hits you get, lol

This is BBC news 9 years ago ^_^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE


He does not watch video's remember. Is there not some article you can post ? i thought the US had that crowd on the terror watch list, but I can only see that they didnt fund them.

im reading this from stanford at the moment: https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion
and ofc this : https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/

one of these links is stanford, the other link is thehill, both of which are based in the US and AFAIK they should be OK to post. hopefully.

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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 26 2023 11:24am)
He does not watch video's remember. Is there not some article you can post ? i think the US had that crown on the terror watch list.


That explains a lot, if he refuses to look at sources then it's hopeless to engage with him in this topic.

I've posted that stuff many times in this topic, Ukrainian far right children's summer camps where they teach kids to take Ak47s apart and all that.

All MSM outlets reported on that before the war but he just deflects / derails / denies and shit posts.
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