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Nov 14 2019 07:28am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2019 04:18am)
This was just the warmup anyway. No one thought hat Kent or Taylor would be the key witnesses who give the bombshell testimony that allows Dems to break through the partisan divide with their argument.
The really interesting part will come when Sondland testifies. And perhaps Mulvaney - I dont think that the administrations line of refusing any cooperation can be kept up in the long run, at least not on someone who's balls-deep in this like Mulvaney.


White House would either have to break its word or he will have to resign. It will probably be resignation since president can't keep a staff.

He probly has to pay his wife to spend time with him.

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That's good folks. Keep that healthy optimism. It'll make the crushing feelings of defeat when the Dems fail... again to find the toppings for their nothing burger, much easier to endure. :D
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Nov 14 2019 08:39am
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based on the money changing hands and testimony today and leading questions from republicans in the know, it seems to paint a pretty clear picture of what was up

burisma started loading western officials onto its board at the same time as the oligarch owner was driven into exile, in some combination of {seeking to innoculate itself from western investigations} / {being forcibly taken over by the west} / {seeking to convince the west it would play ball with them in control}. They started funneling lots of money to Hunter Biden, Devon Archer & John Kerry from 2014 to 2016. Then when Shokin stirred the pot and raided the oligarch's home- maybe Shokin's palm wasn't getting greased enough, or in reaction to western figures pressuring him- they used their leverage with the west to get direct US intervention to protect Burisma from investigations. A simultaneous outreach through Hunter Biden, Devon Archer & John Kerry, all popping up in diplomatic channels in the same few months of 2016.

its pretty ridiculous to claim its a coincidence that the people getting these millions in payouts from a corrupt ukrainian gas company were the same people who served as diplomatic conduits for Burisma's lobbying to get a reprieve from corruption charges. And its a bad look when your secretary of state, your vice president's son and a former CIA director are all dipping into that gravy. It wasn't even an indirect laundered money trail, it was straight payments from Burisma into an LLC formed by co-founded by Hunter Biden, Christopher Heinz and Devon Archer

dunno how much more direct the money trail could be, unless a chinese businessman walked up to Hunter Biden's hotel room and handed him an $80,000 diamond in person (oh wait)


As per usual, you're turning reality upside down.

I don't know how these documents change the story at all... we already knew Hunter Biden and others were paid by Burisma. Why does it matter that they used a private equity firm? And how do we know John Kerry Sr owned part of the company?

The testimony of pretty much everyone at the time(apart from Shokin and the oligarch Firtash) is that Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption in Ukraine, the Burisma investigation wasn't aggressively happening, and Biden's intervention was an Obama administration effort backed by Western partners.

George Kent was in the State Department at the time, and included in his testimony yesterday:

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• The pervasive and long standing problem of corruption in Ukraine included exposure to a situation involving the energy company Burisma. The primary concern of the U.S. government since 2014 was Burisma’s owner -- Mykola Zlochevsky -- whose frozen assets abroad we had attempted to recover on Ukraine’s behalf. In early 2015, I raised questions with the deputy Prosecutor General about why the investigation of Mr. Zlochevsky had been terminated, based on our belief that prosecutors had accepted bribes to close the case.

• Later, I became aware that Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma. Soon after that, in a briefing call with the national security staff in the Office of the Vice President, in February 2015, I raised my concern that Hunter Biden’s status as board member could create the perception of a conflict of interest. Let me be clear; however, I did not witness any efforts by any U.S. official to shield Burisma from scrutiny. In fact, I and other U.S. officials consistently advocated reinstituting a scuttled investigation of Zlochevsky, Burisma’s founder, as well as holding the corrupt prosecutors who closed the case to account.

• Over the course of 2018-2019, I became increasingly aware of an effort by Rudy Giuliani and others, including his associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, to run a campaign to smear Ambassador Yovanovitch and other officials at the U.S. embassy in Kyiv.

The chief agitators on the Ukrainian side of this effort were some of those same corrupt former prosecutors I had encountered, particularly Victor Shokin and Yuriy Lutsenko. They were now peddling false information in order to exact revenge against those who had exposed their misconduct, including U.S. diplomats, Ukrainian anti-corruption officials, and reform-minded civil society groups in Ukraine.

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Nov 14 2019 08:42am
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As per usual, you're turning reality upside down.

I don't know how these documents change the story at all... we already knew Hunter Biden and others were paid by Burisma. Why does it matter that they used a private equity firm? And how do we know John Kerry Sr owned part of the company?

The testimony of pretty much everyone at the time(apart from Shokin and the oligarch Firtash) is that Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption in Ukraine, the Burisma investigation wasn't aggressively happening, and Biden's intervention was an Obama administration effort backed by Western partners.

George Kent was in the State Department at the time, and included in his testimony yesterday:


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8Chan's back online right? Must be a treasure trove for people like Goom :lol:
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8Chan's back online right? Must be a treasure trove for people like Goom :lol:


I love conspiracy theories, but just for fun.

a lot of the GOP defenses here seem like a conspiracy theory.

"hunter biden got hired for some reason, isn't that fishy?"

"the Kerrys might be involved too, isn't that fishy?"

"the dems can't produce a single person who heard the phonecall first hand, isn't that fishy?"

"Donald Trump has made perhaps dozens of strange moves in places where the Trump family has pending or ongoing building project, and that's not fishy at all!"

"Trump has directed anyone who heard the call first hand or who he talked to after not to testify, and that's not one bit fishy. in fact i really like fish, even the fishy fish tasting fish. the fishier the better actually. Salmon or bust I say."

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464302-gop-senator-says-he-doesnt-remember-signing-2016-letter-urging-reform-of

Did these GOP senators have kids on Burisma's board as well?

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“The whole world felt that this that Shokin wasn’t doing a [good] enough job. So we were saying, ‘Hey, you’ve ... got to rid yourself of corruption,” Johnson told the radio program The Vicki McKenna Show on Thursday.


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Stop spamming you fuck.

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Nov 14 2019 09:12am
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464302-gop-senator-says-he-doesnt-remember-signing-2016-letter-urging-reform-of

Did these GOP senators have kids on Burisma's board as well?

Stop spamming you fuck.


Let's see I posted some relevant pics in this topic, then decided what the hell... might as well ADD that video again, since the post was up anyhow.

Secondly, it's not me continually trying to dive into the minutiae of the hearings to detract from the actuality of their being a total crock, hoax, witch hunt, etc.



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Let's see I posted some relevant pics in this topic, then decided what the hell... might as well ADD that video again, since the post was up anyhow.

Secondly, it's not me continually trying to dive into the minutiae of the hearings to detract from the actuality of their being a total crock, hoax, witch hunt, etc.


Ok boomer
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