Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 15 2019 01:16pm)

and Kim is just a few short weeks from annihilating the USA's west coast...

the US army runs in fear of the Turks. give me a fucking break. they wouldn't cut the short and curlys off a single marine. as if we can't start doing bombing runs of them (just like we're doing and have done to countries for decades) without even a single invasion. the aircraft carriers are there and ready to go staged in the Gulf. the second they make an aggressive move we bomb all of their domestic bases.

this whole narrative is one of the more idiotic ideas i've come across in PARD in years. i simply wont entertain it. conversation over. it's that stupid. i'll spend my lunch trolling the d2 trade forums instead.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 15 Oct 2019 19:24)

Implanting US troops in whatever region you desire doesn't automatically mean that all of the sudden we are entitled to dictate how parties there behave.

I just love how a bunch of self centered Americans think they can tell parties with an actual stake to take a back seat in deciding their borders, geopolitics, etc. No wonder why so many hate us around the world.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 15 2019 11:22am)

Honestly the current borders in the Middle East for drawn by people with little to no knowledge of the politics of the area. We really should just erase the borders left by imperialism and allow the people to decide new ones

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 15 2019 01:24pm)

Implanting US troops in whatever region you desire doesn't automatically mean that all of the sudden we are entitled to dictate how parties there behave.

I just love how a bunch of self centered Americans think they can tell parties with an actual stake to take a back seat in deciding their borders, geopolitics, etc. No wonder why so many hate us around the world.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 15 2019 12:57pm)

I don't get it. You're defending Trump sanctioning Turkey, and then saying America shouldn't be telling Turkey what to do.

This is the way of the world. Powerful countries exert their influence on other countries. Superpowers, especially exceptional ones like America, have an interest in shaping what happens in the Middle East. Why is crippling a nation's economy so different than stationing troops around them? Both can be existential threats to a nation.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 15 2019 02:01pm)

"we shouldn't tell them what their border are" is a funny take for the army coming to Genocide our military allies who are holding ISIS captive. reducing this to a border dispute is a way to remain cowardly under the banner of antiinterventionism.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 15 2019 01:15pm)

Also void, weren't you the guy basically defending the Crimea annexation by saying they were ethnic Russians? Now you're singing a different tune when Turkey wants to take Kurdish held territory.



If all other defenses fail non-interventionists just fall back on "it's none of our business guys". It's a dogmatic position, not a pragmatic one.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 15 2019 03:29pm)

the kind of cowards who sit at a restaurant table while a man abuses his wife because it's not their business. sometimes a throat needs a boot whether it's your business or not. but in this case the genocide of the Kurds (and leaving them nothing but Russia to run to) makes it very much our business.

somehow non-interventionists forget that preventative occupation is not only cheaper than war but also one of the best ways to prevent war. they confuse us being in another country with us fighting a war.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 15 2019 02:57pm)

If you look at Trump's actions on North Korea, his weak responses towards multiple instances of Iranian aggression, his Taliban summit stunt, and this recent bullying by Erdogan, you have to conclude that America's adversaries don't fear him. He speaks loudly and carries a small stick.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 15 2019 03:57pm)

If you look at Trump's actions on North Korea, his weak responses towards multiple instances of Iranian aggression, his Taliban summit stunt, and this recent bullying by Erdogan, you have to conclude that America's adversaries don't fear him. He speaks loudly and carries a small stick.