Quote (ferdia @ 25 Apr 2023 21:16)

reading that now, ty.

does anyone have the precise text (in english, sry i cant read french my bad)? I note that even in this topic it looks like the text is relevant here (as always).
/edit ah, found it. reading now.

OK read all that. I did not know about this resolution. its quite depressing. To my mind the EU and the US would have been better off agreeing to it but then abstaining or veto'ing any knock on actions that Russia may, or may not have, attempted.

its a bit like Ukraine in Nato, If Russia's red line was Ukraine in Nato, and the US and the EU said that Russia was going to invade regardless, why not simply say Ukraine will not join Nato and see if that would avert the war. The US refused to do so and we will now never know. Similarly, why would the EU and US not condemn Nazism and deal with any consequences thereafter (if any). They were too busy not agreeing with a draft resolution made by Russia, and it is quit damning on them in hindsight. I say hindsight but it is a perpetual resolution that they ever abstain or vote no on. feels bad.

Quote (ferdia @ 25 Apr 2023 22:16)

reading that now, ty.

does anyone have the precise text (in english, sry i cant read french my bad)? I note that even in this topic it looks like the text is relevant here (as always).
/edit ah, found it. reading now.

Quote (Malopox @ Apr 25 2023 10:38pm)

This is more or less I hoped pierre would find to debunk me, but alas he couldn’t.

EU basically states that although they condemn Nazism and Neo-Nazi groups - they cannot support this resolution as text is heavily politicized in their opinion:

This is the text of the resolution itself:

In short Russians tried to propose a resolution and EU abstained as they felt like this resolution attacked Baltic States who still celebrate their nazi battalions as independence fighters without condemning eg Stalin and what not.

It is peculiar that only two states voted against this resolution instead of abstaining like EU countries.

Quote (Malopox @ 25 Apr 2023 21:38)

This is more or less I hoped pierre would find to debunk me, but alas he couldn’t.

EU basically states that although they condemn Nazism and Neo-Nazi groups - they cannot support this resolution as text is heavily politicized in their opinion:
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/un-new-york/eu-explanation-vote-%E2%80%93-united-nations-3rd-committee-combating-glorification_en?s=63

This is the text of the resolution itself:
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3951466?In=en

In short Russians tried to propose a resolution and EU abstained as they felt like this resolution attacked Baltic States who still celebrate their nazi battalions as independence fighters and resolution didn’t condemn eg Stalin and what not. Although i guess Stalin wasn’t xenophobic. He exterminated all who opposed him equally without regard for their nationality.

It is peculiar that only two states voted against this resolution instead of abstaining like EU countries.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 Apr 2023 22:47)

Sorry poopy, but this is game over for gulag lovers:

Before the vote, Australia managed to get an amendment to the draft resolution adopted (63 votes in favor, 23 against and 65 abstentions) inserting a new paragraph in which the General Assembly "notes with alarm that the Russian Federation has sought to justify its territorial aggression against Ukraine on the purported basis of eliminating neo-Nazism, and underlines that the pretextual use of neo-Nazism to justify territorial aggression seriously undermines genuine attempts to combat neo-Nazism."

Quote (Malopox @ 25 Apr 2023 21:52)

You are confusing years and resolutions my dear pierre. The more you post, the sillier it looks.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 Apr 2023 22:58)

What's silly is to see Gulag Lovers doing horrible crimes in Ukraine trying to argue about Nazism... These horrible people are using nazism as a propaganda in their own country since decads.

The only thing they deserve is to become Moscovia.

Quote (Malopox @ 25 Apr 2023 22:03)

You are melting down. Time to go outside and touch some grass. Come back when you have cleared your head.

Quote (ferdia @ 25 Apr 2023 22:04)

There is no basis to abtain or vote against that draft resolution. whether it was nonbinding or not, Russia could not have used that to invade eastern europe. I really feel I am in the twilight zone here, you cannot justify not agreeing with this resolution, so just dont try. accept that this was an own goal and move on.