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Apr 24 2023 08:09am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 24 2023 04:00pm)
TLDR first 30 mins: Isolating Russia on the international stage was a terrible idea for a variety of reasons.

(i) Forcing Russia to be independent of the West, means Russia is now becoming independent of the West forever. Agriculture sanctions against Russia? Russia adapted by investing in agriculture and is now a major Agriculture exporter.
(ii) The Cost of Living crisis in the US (and in Europe and around the World) is directly associated with the Sanctions Imposed and the disruption of supply chains undertaken by the US (and we all know who blew up NS2).
(iii) Sending "Aid" to Ukraine, but expecting Ukraine to pay back all this Aid, is not aid. Ukraine has sold all of its assets to the US to fund this "Aid".
(iv) Not having an exit strategy in Ukraine, and having Ukraine fight to the last man, is literally going to break Ukraine.

thats enough of that video for now.

(and ofc, link removed :rolleyes: )


Sounds terrible, idk why people like Meanwhile and Prox1m1ty still think this is a huge win for NATO / the West

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Apr 24 2023 08:25am
TLDR: 2nd 30 mins relates to the Dollar (well from 40:00+)

(v) The US has weaponized the dollar against the developing (and developed) world, and will sanction any country that tries to move away from the dollar. As a consequence any country that tries to dedollar first needs to be able to wean itself/cut itself off of the dependence of the trade it currently has with the US and the West.
(vi) The Ukraine war is hastening the decline of demand for the Dollar and with an alternative sources of finance (China), countries are being discouraged by the aforementioned dollar weaponization. "Look what we did to Russia etc we will do that to you as well if you dont do as you are told".

To my mind (v) and (vi) above are accelerated when China steps in and says "here you go, free trade deal" "yes please" "thanks". It is mentioned that China's trade is rapidly expanding by x4 / x5 times as a consequence of (v) above.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 24 2023 08:31am
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Good summaries

Btw the last 30 mins or so of that video is just the host talking about some random stuff and can be skipped


Edit- I would just add, I think the two speakers do a good job of explaining why the US thought this strategy would work, which is something I've been struggling to wrap my head around for awhile.

They explain the US is aware China is overtaking them and have been for awhile, and that Ukraine is essentially a sort of "holding" operation to maintain its control over Europe by making them dependant on the US by cutting them off from Russia.

To me that makes sense, more so than starting all of this over Ukrainian sovereignty.

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Apr 24 2023 08:40am
Yes to the above.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2023 03:57pm)


If you wanted to discredit the Journalist you could have said he is paid by China, a Radical or god knows what else. However, its the two people being interviewed you need to discredit. Both are old, use that I guess, long hanging fruit and all that.


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Lol it is funny how predictable you are

If anyone was wondering whether the video was worth watching, Meanwhile says it isn't, take that however you will :rofl:
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You do realize he is a journalist. its the two people being interviewed you need to discredit. Both are old, use that I guess.


It's HILARIOUS, the guy is an insane CLOWN is a CCP prostitute loool

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2023 04:05pm)
It's HILARIOUS, the guy is an insane CLOWN is a CCP prostitute loool


again, its the people being interviewed that you should (for w/e reasons) be trying to discredit.
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Quote (ferdia @ 24 Apr 2023 17:07)
again, its the people being interviewed that you should (for w/e reasons) be trying to discredit.


I means, you can get fishy sources, but this one triggered me not because of its horrible bias, but because how grotesque and comical it is.
This said your guys are free to post this kind of material as much as you want and doing copium over it, it's all good. No problem...

On the other hand i guess i can post my opinion about it :lol:

Souvenir from the "journalist" :

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